Homosexuality is a choice

Well, in right wing-fundie-crazy speak, "recruitment" is synonymous to "informing about" and "saying it's wrong to persecute".

Don't ask me what "chant" is synonymous to.
 
Mirrorglass said:
Well, in right wing-fundie-crazy speak, "recruitment" is synonymous to "informing about" and "saying it's wrong to persecute".

Don't ask me what "chant" is synonymous to.
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It does fascinate me that Conservatives think that homosexuals recruiting members for their groups means, "WE MUST TURN STRAIGHT PEOPLE GAY!"

Instead of, "Hey, you other homosexuals or straight people that support our cause, do you want to be on our mailing list?"
 
bikerdruid said:
...this is just silly...
in my life as a queer man, i have met hundreds of gay people, both male and female....i have never heard this chant.
perhaps you hang around in different gay crowds than i do.
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Of course you'd say that...

And we all know that when someone shouts, "recruit, recruit, recruit" at you, there is no choice but to join.

That's how I ended up selling Amway.
 
TraneWreck said:
It does fascinate me that Conservatives think that homosexuals recruiting members for their groups means, "WE MUST TURN STRAIGHT PEOPLE GAY!"

Instead of, "Hey, you other homosexuals or straight people that support our cause, do you want to be on our mailing list?"
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Well yeah, but then they start sending you letters infected with gay, and then what are you going to do?
 
Mailing List? I thought it was the Male-ing Lisp.

I'm bored. :(
 
Achán hiNidráne said:
So those incapable for siring/bearing children are engaging in "unnatural" sex since they can have it only for pleasure?
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I take it you haven't read the whole thread. To save you some time, the answer to the question according to SnakeTongue is "Applejacks." Except it makes even less sense than that.

Imagine what it would be like if your calculus teacher tried to teach you by making fart noises with his armpit. That's basically how SnakeTongue has explained his position.
 
TraneWreck said:
Of course you'd say that...

And we all know that when someone shouts, "recruit, recruit, recruit" at you, there is no choice but to join.

That's how I ended up selling Amway.
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I knew it!!!!!!!!!

"Teh Gay" is nothin' but a Pyramid Scheme!!!!



:D
 
JFrankA said:
Did you notice that when you ask the question "When did you decide to be sexually attracted to only women?" to the people who claim homosexuality is a choice, they never ever ever give a straightforward answer?

Maybe because they can't give out a straight answer?
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Bishadi said:
i sucked on boobies within minutes of birth; does that count?

Does that make me hetero or homo or perhaps both? I tink freud said, 'its' mom's fault'.


But then again, i could embellish.......................... How about if i say..."When i was an egg, flopping around the fallopian tubes, when my utter half was wiggling up my zona pellucida, i came to be OnE". Does that make me happy to have 2 sides, by 2 separate nodes to be ONE; to have been born?



That question you are ranting on is like asking someone, "hey dood are you making yourself breath or is god doing it?" And then when i say, "i am doing it" the nut replies, "so in your sleep you are making your lungs work and know it?"



:cool:
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See what I mean? No straight answer......
 
SnakeTongue said:
I am not referring to any paraphilia.
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Yes you are:

Paraphilia:
a type of mental disorder characterized by a preference for or obsession with unusual sexual practices, as pedophilia, sadomasochism, or exhibitionism.
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/paraphilia

You affirmed that a sexual basic desire never changes.
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I should clarify. When I say "basic desires" in the case of sex, for there are many desires people have other than sexual, I do not mean a -phile. I mean sexual orientation and maybe preferences. But to be honest, and looking back on our conversation, I'm beginning to think that I may have been wrong in using the term "basic desires" because it's too general. So again, my apologies. We are talking about sexual orientation, so I shall use that term from now on.

Why children changes its sexual basic desire for children when it become adults?

That contradicts your basic desire hypothesis.
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Not at all. If I may go back to my food analogy, (which I will admit is a pretty simplified and clumsy version of the whole picture).

Let's say an infant loves apple juice. As that infant gets older, it still likes apple juice but is old enough to now eat sliced apples, then full apples, then as that infant goes into her/his elderly years, they still like apples but only as applesauce.

It's kind of clumsy analogy I admit, but the point is this: there may be changes in behavior, changes in details, changes in circumstances, etc, but the basic desire, in this case, sexual orientation, (and maybe some preferences) does not change.

That's why I said that you are mixing sexual orientation and -philes.
 
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JFrankA said:
Yes you are:

Paraphilia:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/paraphilia
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My questions is about adults who do not like children.

It have nothing to do with a paraphilia.

JFrankA said:
I should clarify. When I say "basic desires" in the case of sex, for there are many desires people have other than sexual, I do not mean a -phile. I mean sexual orientation and maybe preferences. But to be honest, and looking back on our conversation, I'm beginning to think that I may have been wrong in using the term "basic desires" because it's too general. So again, my apologies. We are talking about sexual orientation, so I shall use that term from now on.
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So you are now supporting your hypothesis of sexual basic desire with the definition of sexual orientation?

JFrankA said:
Not at all. If I may go back to my food analogy, (which I will admit is a pretty simplified and clumsy version of the whole picture).

Let's say an infant loves apple juice. As that infant gets older, it still likes apple juice but is old enough to now eat sliced apples, then full apples, then as that infant goes into her/his elderly years, they still like apples but only as applesauce.

It's kind of clumsy analogy I admit, but the point is this: there may be changes in behavior, changes in details, changes in circumstances, etc, but the basic desire, in this case, sexual orientation, (and maybe some preferences) does not change.

That's why I said that you are mixing sexual orientation and -philes.
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What you mean by some preferences? Which preferences are that which are not defined in the sexual orientation?
 
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TraneWreck said:
Are you kidding? You still have a chance. There's no bad...only hope that someone can make it out.
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Ah-HA! Recruiting for the Homosexuals, I see.


SnakeTongue said:
My questions is about adults who do not like children.

It have nothing to do with a paraphilia.
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I guess you didn't click the link, since "paraphilia" and "pedophilia" are not synonyms.
 
SnakeTongue said:
My questions is about adults who do not like children.

It have nothing to do with a paraphilia.
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Yes it does. You are asking me why we all don't grow up to be pedophiles. Some people, however, do.

So you are now supporting your hypothesis of sexual basic desire with the definition of sexual orientation?
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Yes, because there are some things that people always had a preference. That's not saying that I'm including all preferences for one thing over another, nor am I saying that the behavior of some of the preferences can change or mature throughout one's life, but there are preferences that people have that persist through out one's life.


What you mean by some preferences? Which preferences are that which are not defined in the sexual orientation?
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It could be anything, including some sexual -philes. Hair color, attitude, body type, sound of voice, circumstances, whatever. I will agree with you if you say some of these are learned however, not all can be. There are preferences that people have had throughout all their lives and cannot change no matter what happens to them. It's persists in more than just sexual preferences, too. It could be something as simple as preferring the color blue.

We are basically talking about what people are attracted to, what their likes and dislikes are when it comes to sexual attraction. It is more complicated that "it's a choice" because the next question is "why did you choose X over Y and Z and however many other things?"

It's also more complicated than "you learn all the things you like" because that simply cannot apply to everything. There are preferences that people will always like and dislike and it can't be "unlearned". Now the behavior towards that preference may change, but that preference never ever leaves a person.

This is why I used "basic desire" when speaking about this idea in the terms of sexual attraction. We are not talking just sexual orientation, but other preferences that never ever leave us. Those things cannot be "unlearned". Brain Placidity can change the behavior of reaction and action of some of those preferences, but it cannot remove them completely. And there is no proof that Brain Placidity does.
 
ZirconBlue said:
I guess you didn't click the link, since "paraphilia" and "pedophilia" are not synonyms.
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Yes, I know that.

Do you wish to answer the question?

Why the sexual desire of children for children changes when the children becomes adults?
 
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It's annoying that I'm talking a lot about this subject, possibly.

I have written earlier here that there is evidence for sexual fluidity within biologically-determined boundaries.

A person who is sexually attracted to people of one sex exclusively, for example, might find themself attracted to different body shapes and ages and be interested in different behaviours with others as time goes on. That's sexual fluidity. Nobody should deny that. For people who are bisexual, there is an additional axis for the fluidity to be seen on.

The evidence for the biological boundaries? Under your nose in this thread (but you, apparently ideologically, won't accept it).
 
I told somebody that a homosexual cannot be aroused by a member of the opposite sex unless he or she is tricked (thinks the person is the opposite sex, for example). They said, "long ago when homosexuality was even more frowned upon, gay men would marry and have children, living seemingly normal lives. Therefore, gay people can be aroused by the opposite sex if they put their mind to it."

I had two responses:

1. Wouldn't a person who is aroused by both sexes a bisexual rather than a homosexual?

2. Assuming you're straight, imagine trying to have sex with someone of the same sex. Is it possible to be aroused by them simply by choice?

And even then for #2, if you can be aroused by the same sex, then you'd be bisexual and not straight. So, it seems to end in a non-falsifiable distinction. A straight person could never be attracted to the same sex, or they technically would be bisexual / homosexual.
 
spaaron22 said:
I told somebody that a homosexual cannot be aroused by a member of the opposite sex unless he or she is tricked (thinks the person is the opposite sex, for example). They said, "long ago when homosexuality was even more frowned upon, gay men would marry and have children, living seemingly normal lives. Therefore, gay people can be aroused by the opposite sex if they put their mind to it."

I had two responses:

1. Wouldn't a person who is aroused by both sexes a bisexual rather than a homosexual?

2. Assuming you're straight, imagine trying to have sex with someone of the same sex. Is it possible to be aroused by them simply by choice?

And even then for #2, if you can be aroused by the same sex, then you'd be bisexual and not straight. So, it seems to end in a non-falsifiable distinction. A straight person could never be attracted to the same sex, or they technically would be bisexual / homosexual.
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...you haven't read this thread all the way through, have you?
 
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