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Homoeopathic crisis looms in India?

Mojo

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The Indian government is requiring manufacturers of homoeopathic medicines to adhere to manufacturing norms. As it appears that the vast majority of them are currently unable to do this the authorities in West bengal have given them an extension until the 31st of March. If they are unable to comply by then there could be a severe shortage of homoeopathic remedies.

Homeo sweet pill turns bitter for millions

Millions of homeopathic patients throughout the country will be without medicines if West Bengal takes the lead and sets an example by regulating or banning all medicine manufacturers who do not follow the Good Medicine Practice (GMP) norms of the Central Health Ministry.

At present, just six of the 264 medicine manufacturers of homeopathy follow the norms and have received the GMP certificates. The drug controller has given the rest time till March 31 to adhere to the norms or face closure.
 
OK, who can tell the difference between regulated and unregulated homeopathy?
 
Ok, here's a real question.
When a large group of people is culturally conditioned to accept the effects of a placebo, can't the absence of that placebo have actual medical consequences?
 
Ok, here's a real question.
When a large group of people is culturally conditioned to accept the effects of a placebo, can't the absence of that placebo have actual medical consequences?
No. What medical 'consequences' were thinking of?
 
Old man-

The placebo effect really does speed healing in a number of conditions.
Imagine you have a child who believes their blanky is medicine and who actually fights off colds faster with that blanky available as opposed to her healing rate when on vacation without it for instance.

Now her blanky has been destroyed in the wash. Some placebos are not interchangeable, the effect depends on belief. She may be sick for a longer time without the blanky.

Of course with a child, and with a larger population, they should be weaned of this belief towards real medicine which will undoubtably help far more, but people dedicated to woo medicine won't necessarily go to real doctors when their favorite sugar pills are unavailable, many can't afford it. Without the psychological effects they're groomed to experience, many illnesses will actually last longer. When you multiply slightly more time of weakened immune systems over a large population, often living in very crowded conditions, you may, or may not see a marked health effect.
 
Old man-

The placebo effect really does speed healing in a number of conditions.
Imagine you have a child who believes their blanky is medicine and who actually fights off colds faster with that blanky available as opposed to her healing rate when on vacation without it for instance.


I suspect you are going to have to imagine that, because to the best of my knowledge it's complete tosh.

Do you have any evidence at all for that astounding statement?

Rolfe.
 
I suspect you are going to have to imagine that, because to the best of my knowledge it's complete tosh.

Do you have any evidence at all for that astounding statement?

Rolfe.

Yes, read the wikipedia article for the placebo effect for a start,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo

Here's information on the effects of placebos on gastric ulcers
A meta-study of 31 placebo-controlled trials of the gastric acid secretion inhibitor drug Cimetidine in the treatment of gastric or duodenal ulcers found that placebo treatments, in many cases, were as effective as active drugs: of the 1692 patients treated in the 31 trials, 76% of the 916 treated with the drug were "healed", and 48% of the 776 treated with placebo were "healed".[78] (It is now known gastic secretion is irrelevant since most ulcers are due to the the bacterium Helicobacter pylori).) These results were confirmed by the direct post-treatment endoscopy. It was also found that German placebos were "stronger" than others; and that, overall, different physicians evoked quite different placebo responses in the same clinical trial (p.15). Moreover, that in many of these trials the gap between the active drugs and the placebo controls was "not because [the trials' constituents] had high drug effectiveness, but because they had low placebo effectiveness" (p.13).

In some trials, placebos were effective in 90% of the cases, whilst in others the placebos were only effective in 10% of the cases. It was argued that "what is demonstrated in [these] studies is not enhanced healing in drug groups, but reduced healing in placebo groups" (p.14). It was also noted the results of two studies (one conducted in Germany, the other in Denmark), which examined "ulcer relapse in healed patients" showed that the rate of relapse amongst those "healed" by the active drug treatment was five times that of those "healed" by the placebo treatment (pp.14–15).

So what exactly are you calling tosh?
 

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