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makaya325 said:
The pacific northwest has its wildlife studies and surveys, but so do the Himalayas. Take Snelgrove for example: why are there no articles concerning wildlife studies taking place there? Sure, some alleged bigfoot sightings occur near man, but what about the ones that occur very very far from civilization?

Do you guys think its reasonable to discover, lets say a new rodent, in Africa?
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You seem sure that no one has ever studied wildlife at Snelgrove Lake (location of the two MonsterQuest Sasquatch Attacks! episodes) and written about it.

And is there some compelling reason why more scientists should come swooping down on Snelgrove? Surely it's not a bleached human hair (MQ creator Doug Hajicek) and a rock on a roof?

BTW, Mayaka, I have to ask. What's with this?:

mayaka325 aka blue bear @ BFF said:
roller, why does the jref consider the bff to be woo? it pisses me off when we cant get along
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http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=24601&view=findpost&p=510234

mayaka325 aka blue bear @ BFF said:
sasskeptic, does the jref and the bff have a sort of grudge going on?
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http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=24601&view=findpost&p=510252

I mean, you've already been told entertaining BF existence does not equate woo. You've been given people to refer to at that Bigfoot forum and topics to check out. I'm having some trouble understanding your thought process.
 
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Im sorry, Kit. When im interested in something, Im all over the place. I just like being part of both forums and experiencing the different view points.

Before i registered here, i viewed the posts here and they mention woo alot that is targeted at people, which some i feel are being mocked unfairly.

Kitz, i agree that mq was for comic relief. But it shows that you dont have to follow the scientific method to find evidence, only that the SM is much easier. I have personally called Meldrum on my free time and asked him about the hair. He believes that Nelson shouldnt have jumped the gun, and that 388 base pairs will not prove anything.
 
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makaya325 said:
Im sorry, Kit. When im interested in something, Im all over the place. I just like being part of both forums and experiencing the different view points.
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That's an admirable thing and good for you. I personally don't participate in discussions at places such as BFF because I find there to be far too many people who get emotionally invested in the subject and have a hard time being rational. There's also the fact that in the interest of being a community of believers in Bigfoot, things such as religion and politics are out of bound. As I said, there's smart people there who I mentioned to you.

Keep in mind that there is no feud between the BFF and the JREF. The BFF is a forum for Bigfoot enthusiasts where as the JREF is a massive site devoted to skepticism and critical thinking in general with a dizzying range of things discussed. Accept for a few skeptics here and people who were members there before coming here, the BFF does not provoke even the slightest blip on the average member's radar. I could go to the Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology section here and ask someone if they've been to the BFF. They would sooner think I was talking about a gay porn site or Indian movie forum than something to do with Bigfoot.

Kitz, i agree that mq was for comic relief. But it shows that you dont have to follow the scientific method to find evidence, only that the SM is much easier. I have personally called Meldrum on my free time and asked him about the hair. He believes that Nelson shouldnt have jumped the gun, and that 388 base pairs will not prove anything.
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Then why do you imply that science is wrongfully ignoring Snelgrove Lake?

Also, those MonsterQuest episodes were not intended by producer Doug Hajicek as comic relief. It was considered by those involved to be a serious scientic endevour. Why don't you?
 
makaya325 said:
Chimpanzees have lived in Africa for 7 million years and it is estimated that there are approximately 1 million living there at least up until that past several decades. If the averge chimp lives 40 years then that means 175 billion chimps have romped around the Africa continent.

The first fossilized chimp remains weren't discovered until 2004.

So, the complete lack of BF bones and remains is utterly meaningless to me.
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However, non-fossilized chimp remains, and actual live chimps, were known well before that.

Preservation by fossilization is a comparatively rare event, so for living species it is vastly more likely that fresh remains or living examples will be found.

Anyway, the topic here is not fossil non-human hominids (it's pretty well established that those existed), it's living non-human hominids.
 
Mojo, that is correct. However, Me and other hunters and backpackers i know tell me that finding any animal carcass is a rare event. Im no push over when it comes to scouring the area. I keep a sharp eye on everything that comes my way, and the fact that i havent even found a dead bear in the last seven years is baffling for me
 
Take the mountain Gorilla for example. These animals are living in the 100's in areas that are very very close to the wars going on, and gorilla carcasses are found not often, but rarely. Even though they are found, why is it that even though humans are close, why dont we have tons of their bodies by now?
 
kitakaze said:
Accept for a few skeptics here and people who were members there before coming here, the BFF does not provoke even the slightest blip on the average member's radar. I could go to the Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology section here and ask someone if they've been to the BFF.
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I thought BFF meant 'Best Friends Forever'. I must be reading the wrong forums! :D
 
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makaya325 said:
Take the mountain Gorilla for example. These animals are living in the 100's in areas that are very very close to the wars going on, and gorilla carcasses are found not often, but rarely. Even though they are found, why is it that even though humans are close, why dont we have tons of their bodies by now?
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What is the current total weight of the carcasses in the Mountain Gorilla Carcass Storage Facility, Inc.?
 
Parcher, why arent gorillas found more often, due to the fact that despite endangered, they live in groups in the 100's close to human civilization, and there is a war going on right near them, yet you rarely hear of a dead gorilla being found.
 
Not hearing about it might have something to do with the war going on right near them. That makes it hard for wildlife experts to continue their studies and preoccupies everyone else. For all we know they find them all the time but who is going to talk about that when crude machete are being used to hack babies to death?
 
In countries where human life is cheap, non-human death rarely makes the papers.
If there are papers.
 
Yet, soapy, not everything makes the papers here.

think of finding teeth of bf. Thats like me looking for a tiny tiny insignificant dot in a forest filled with brush
 
makaya325 said:
Parcher, why arent gorillas found more often, due to the fact that despite endangered, they live in groups in the 100's close to human civilization, and there is a war going on right near them, yet you rarely hear of a dead gorilla being found.
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How many were found dead in the past 30 days? DO NOT MAKE UP A NUMBER. Give a number (even if zero) and a reference to back up the source of that number. If your answer is zero, give a reference supporting that number.
 
makaya325 said:
Before i registered here, i viewed the posts here and they mention woo alot that is targeted at people, which some i feel are being mocked unfairly.
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I seriously doubt that you will cause yourself to be logically and righteously defined as a woo. There remains the possibility that your own behavior would be properly defined as troll. If this is offensive or distasteful to you - then you should independently research and understand what it means to be a troll and prevent yourself from being or becoming that. It is highly beneficial to not ask what a troll is and instead do your own independent research. Asking what is a troll, or if you are considered to be a troll, is a strong indication that you are that thing.

Know that a troll is often held in lower regard than a woo, and most importantly do not ask me any questions about this.
 
William, It seems to me that most of you guys think scientifically. But scientific discoveries dont always have to be scientific. Was the find of the megamouth shark scientific? Can people approach bigfoot in a non-scientific way and still find evidence? of course.
 
makaya325 said:
http://critternews.blogspot.com/2008/11/five-baby-mountain-gorillas-found-at.html

That was the last one found, and that was a week longer than a month ago. so it stands at zero carcasses found in the last 30 days for a couple 100 400 pound beasts living in close proximity to man
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I asked for 30 days but I will let you slide once. Now... show me a report that states that EVERY POSSIBLE PERSON who could have encountered a carcass, did not encounter a carcass, in the past 30 days.
 
makaya325 said:
Parcher, why arent gorillas found more often, due to the fact that despite endangered, they live in groups in the 100's close to human civilization, and there is a war going on right near them, yet you rarely hear of a dead gorilla being found.
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Perhaps one reason, rather well publicized recently, is that they're being illegally hunted and eaten.
 
Mojo, since people have attempted (more like half arse) to look, which exists in the case of bogus monsterquest. Evidence has been found, but of what? The evidence found indicates something of large proportions is causing tracks to be found and hairs to be examined
 
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