Homeopathy is everywhere!

If there were anything to homeopathy, anything at all, the loons that practice it would be all over the FDA to have their "remedies" tested and approved. They don't cuz they know better.

Sniff test.

Homeopathy=BS

If you disagree, then why the low profile with the FDA?
 
Homeopathic medicines are prepared by manufacturing pharmacies which are inspected and licensed by the FDA. In addition to the FDA's requirements, homeopathic manufacturers must also meet the strict controls of the United States Homeopathic Pharmacopeia which is defined by US law as the official manual setting the standards for the production of homeopathic medicines. The professional homeopathic associations as well as drug manufacturers are in constant
contact with the FDA re compliance issues. I hope this puts the issue of the FDA's role in homeopathic matters in perspective for you Ed.......

Also an article by an FDA representative on homeopathy is probably worth reading:

http://www.thebody.com/fda/homeopathy.html

Here are the FDA regs updated thru 1995: (Public Domain)

Compliance Policy Guide (CPG 7132.15)

Conditions Under Which Homeopathic
Drugs May be Marketed

Revised March 1995

BACKGROUND:

The term "homeopathy" is derived from the Greek words homeo (similar) and pathos (suffering or disease). The first basic principles of homeopathy were formulated by Samuel Hahnemann in the late 1700's. The practice of homeopathy is based on the belief that disease symptoms can be cured by small doses of substances which produce similar symptoms in healthy people.

The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act) recognizes as official the drugs and standards in the Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States and its supplements (Sections 201 (g)(1) and 501 (b), respectively). Until recently, homeopathic drugs have been marketed on a limited scale by a few manufacturers who have been in business for many years and have predominantly served the needs of a limited number of licensed practitioners. In conjunction with this, homeopathic drug products historically have borne little or no labeling for the consumer.

Today the homeopathic drug market has grown to become a multimillion dollar industry in the United States, with a significant increase shown in the importation and domestic marketing of homeopathic drug products. Those products that are offered for treatment of serious disease conditions, must be dispensed under the care of a licensed practitioner. Other products, offered for use in self-limiting conditions recognizable by consumers, may be marketed OTC.

This document provides guidance on the regulation of OTC and prescription homeopathic drugs and delineates those conditions under which homeopathic drugs may ordinarily be marketed in the U.S. Agency compliance personnel should particularly consider whether a homeopathic drug is being offered for use (or promoted) significantly beyond recognized or customary practice of homeopathy. If so, priorities and procedures concerning the agency's policy on health fraud would apply. (See CPG 7150.10 "Health Fraud-Factors in Considering Regulatory Action" 6/5/87).

DEFINITIONS:

The following terms are used in this document and are defined as follows:

1. Homeopathy: The practice of treating the syndromes and conditions which constitute disease with remedies that have produced similar syndromes and conditions in healthy subjects.

2. Homeopathic Drug: Any drug labeled as being homeopathic which is listed in the Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States (HPUS), an addendum to it, or its supplements. The potencies of homeopathic drugs are specified in terms of dilution, i.e., 1x (1/10 dilution), 2x (1/100 dilution), etc. Homeopathic drug products must contain diluents commonly used in homeopathic pharmaceutics. Drug products containing homeopathic ingredients in combination with non-homeopathic active ingredients are not homeopathic drug products.

3. Homeotherapeutics: Involves therapy which utilizes drugs that are selected and administered in accordance with the tenets of homeopathy.

4. Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States (HPUS): A compilation of standards for source, composition, and preparation of homeopathic drugs. HPUS contains monographs of drug ingredients used in homeopathic treatment. It is recognized as an official compendium under Section 201(j) of the Act.

5. Compendium of Homeotherapeutics: An addendum to the HPUS which contains basic premises and concepts of homeopathy and homeotherapeutics; specifications and standards of preparation, content, and dosage of homeopathic drugs; a description of the proving* process used to determine the eligibility of drugs for inclusion in HPUS; the technique of prescribing the therapeutic application of homeopathic drugs; and a partial list of drugs which meet the criteria of the proving process and are eligible for inclusion in HPUS and other homeopathic texts.

6. Extemporaneously Compounded OTC Products: Those homeopathic drug products which are often prepared by dilution to many variations of potency from stock preparations, and which: (1) have at least one OTC indication; (2) are prepared pursuant to consumers' oral or written requests; and (3) are not generally sold from retail shelves. Those products which are prescription drugs only cannot be provided to consumers as extemporaneously compounded OTC products but, may only be prepared pursuant to a prescription order.

7. Health Fraud: The deceptive promotion, advertisement, distribution or sale of articles, intended for human or animal use, that are represented as being effective to diagnose, prevent, cure, treat, or mitigate disease (or other conditions), or provide a beneficial effect on health, but which have not been scientifically proven safe and effective for such purposes. Such practices may be deliberate, or done without adequate knowledge or understanding of the article.

*A proving is synonymous with the homeopathic procedure (identified in HPUS as a "Research Procedure") which is employed in healthy individuals to determine the dose of a drug sufficient to produce symptoms.

DISCUSSION:

Section 201(g)(1) of the Act defines the term "drug" to mean articles recognized in the official United States Pharmacopeia (USP), the official Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States (HPUS), or official National Formulary (NF) or any supplement to them; and articles intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or the prevention of disease in man or other animals; articles (other than food) intended to affect the structure or any function of the body of man or other animals; and articles intended for use as a component of any articles specified in the above. Whether or not they are official homeopathic remedies, those products offered for the cure, mitigation, prevention, or treatment of disease conditions are regarded as drugs within the meaning of Section 201(g)(l) of the Act.

Homeopathic drugs generally must meet the standards for strength, quality, and purity set forth in the Homeopathic Pharmacopeia. Section 501(b) of the Act (21 U.S.C. 351) provides in relevant part:

Whenever a drug is recognized in both the United States Pharmacopeia and the Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States it shall be subject to the requirements of the United States Pharmacopeia unless it is labeled and offered for sale as a homeopathic drug, in which case it shall be subject to the provisions of the Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States and not to those of the United States Pharmacopeia.

A product's compliance with requirements of the HPUS, USP, or NF does not establish that it has been shown by appropriate means to be safe, effective, and not misbranded for its intended use.
A guide to the use of homeopathic drugs (including potencies, dosing, and other parameters) may be found by referring to the following texts: A Dictionary of Practical Materia Medica by John Henry Clarke, M.D., (3 volumes; Health Science Press) and A Clinical Repertory to the Dictionary of Materia Medica by John Henry Clarke, M.D. (Health Science Press). These references must be reviewed in conjunction with other available literature on these drug substances.

POLICY: LABELING

Homeopathic drug product labeling must comply with the labeling provisions of Sections 502 and 503 of the Act and Part 201 Title 21 of the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), as discussed below, with certain provisions applicable to extemporaneously compounded OTC products. Those drugs in bulk packages intended for manufacture or preparation of products, including those subsequently diluted to various potencies, must also comply with the provisions of Section 502 of the Act and Part 201 (21 CFR 201).

General Labeling Provisions

Name and Place of Business: Each product must bear the name and place of business of the manufacturer, packer, or distributor in conformance with Section 502(b) of the Act and 21 CFR 201.1.

Directions for Use: Each drug product offered for retail sale must bear adequate directions for use in conformance with Section 502(f) of the Act and 21 CFR 201.5. An exemption from adequate directions for use under Section 503 is applicable only to prescription drugs.

Statement of Ingredients: Ingredient information shall appear in accord with Section 502(e) of the Act and 21 CFR 201.10. Labeling must bear a statement of the quantity and amount of ingredient(s) in the product in conformance with Section 502(b) of the Act, as well as 21 CFR 201.10, expressed in homeopathic terms, e.g., lx, 2x.

Documentation must be provided to support that those products or ingredients which are not recognized officially in the HPUS, an addendum to it, or its supplements are generally recognized as homeopathic products or ingredients.

Established Name: The product must be in conformance with Section 502(e)(1) of the Act and must bear an established name in accord with Section 502(e)(3) of the Act and 21 CFR 201.10. Many homeopathic products bear Latin names which correspond to listings in the HPUS. Since Section 502(c) of the Act and 21 CFR 201.15(c)(1) require that all labeling be in English, the industry is required to translate these names from Latin to their common English names as current labeling stocks are depleted, or by June 11, 1990, whichever occurs first. It is permissible for industry to include in the labeling both English and Latin names.

Container Size - Labeling Exemption: For those products packaged in containers too small to accommodate a label bearing the required information, the labeling requirements provided under Section 502 of the Act and 21 CFR 201 may be met by placing information on the carton or outer container, or in a leaflet with the package, as designated in 21 CFR 201.10(i) for OTC drugs and in 21 CFR 201.100(b)(7) for prescription drugs. However, as a minimum, each product must also bear a label containing a statement of identity and potency, and the name and place of business of the manufacturer, packer, or distributor.

Language: The label and labeling must be in the English language as described and provided for under 21 CFR 201.15(c)(1), although it is permissible for industry to include foreign language in the labeling, as well.

Prescription Drugs

The products must comply with the General Labeling Provisions above, as well as the provisions for prescription drugs below.

Prescription Drug Legend: All prescription homeopathic drug products must bear the prescription legend, "Caution: Federal law prohibits dispensing without prescription," in conformance with Section 503(b)(1) of the Act.

Statement of Identity: The label shall bear a statement of identity as provided for under 21 CFR 201.50.

Declaration of Net Quantity of Contents and Statement of Dosage: The label shall bear a declaration of net quantity of contents as provided in 21 CFR 201.51 and a statement of the recommended or usual dosage as described under 21 CFR 201.55.

General Labeling Requirements: The labeling shall contain the information described under 21 CFR 201.56 and 21 CFR 201.57. For all prescription homeopathic products, a package insert bearing complete labeling information for the homeopathic practitioner must accompany the product.

OTC Drugs

Product labeling must comply with the General Labeling Provisions above and the provisions for OTC drugs below, as current labeling stocks are depleted or by June 11, 1990, whichever occurs first.

Principal display Panel: The labeling must comply with the principal display panel provision under 21 CFR 201.62.

Statement of Identity: The label shall contain a statement of identity as described in 21 CFR 201.61.

Declaration of Net Quantity of Contents: The label shall conform to the provisions for declaring net quantity of contents under 21 CFR 201.62.

Indications for Use: The labeling for those products offered for OTC retail sale must bear at least one major OTC indication for use, stated in terms likely to be understood by lay persons. For extemporaneously compounded OTC products, the labeling must bear at least one major OTC indication for use, stated in terms likely to be understood by lay persons. For combination products, the labeling must bear appropriate indications(s) common to the respective ingredients. Industry must comply with the provisions concerning indications for use as current labeling stocks are depleted, or by June 11, 1990, whichever occurs first.

Directions for Use: See the General Labeling Provisions above.
Warnings: OTC homeopathic drugs intended for systemic absorption, unless specifically exempted, must bear a warning statement in conformance with 21 CFR 201.63(a). Other warnings, such as those for indications conforming to those in OTC drug final regulations, are required as appropriate.

Prescription/OTC Status
The criteria specified in Section 503(b) of the Act apply to the determination of prescription status for all drug products, including homeopathic drug products. If the HPUS specifies a distinction between nonprescription (over-the-counter (OTC)) and prescription status of products which is based on strength (e.g., 30x) -- and which is more restrictive than Section 503(b) of the Act -- the more stringent criteria will apply. Homeopathic products intended solely for self-limiting disease conditions amenable to self-diagnosis (of symptoms) and treatment may be marketed OTC. Homeopathic products offered for conditions not amenable to OTC use must be marketed as prescription products.

Home Remedy Kits. Homeopathic home remedy kits may contain several products used for a wide range of conditions amenable to OTC use. When limited space does not allow for a list of those conditions on the labels of the products, the required labeling must appear in a pamphlet or similar informational piece which is enclosed in the kits. However, as a minimum, each product must also bear a label containing a statement of identity and potency.

Other Requirements
All firms which manufacture, prepare, propagate, compound, or otherwise process homeopathic drugs must register as drug establishments in conformance with Section 510 of the Act and 21 CFR 207. Further, homeopathic drug products must be listed in conformance with the sections above. (Note: For a given product, variations in package size and potency are not required to be listed on separate forms 2657 but instead, may be listed on the same form). Homeopathic drug products must be packaged in accordance with Section 502(g) of the Act. Homeopathic drug products must be manufactured in conformance with current good manufacturing practice, Section 501(a)(2)(B) of the Act and 21 CFR 211. However, due to the unique nature of these drug products, some requirements of 21 CFR 211 are not applicable, as follows:

1. Section 211.137 (Expiration dating) specifically exempts homeopathic drug products from expiration dating requirements.

2. Section 211.165 (Testing and release for distribution): In the Federal Register of April 1, 1983 (48 FR 14003), the Agency proposed to amend 21 CFR 211.165 to exempt homeopathic drug products from the requirement for laboratory determination of identity and strength of each active ingredient prior to release for distribution.

Pending a final rule on this exemption, this testing requirement will not be enforced for homeopathic drug products.

REGULATORY ACTION GUIDANCE:
Those firms marketing homeopathic drugs which are not in compliance with the conditions described above will be considered for regulatory follow-up. The Office of Compliance, HFD-304, Center for Drug Evaluation and Research, should be consulted before warning letters are issued.

Recommendations for the issuance of warning letters or other regulatory sanctions must be submitted in conformity with the Regulatory Procedures Manual and other Agency guidance concerning the review of regulatory actions.

Issued: 5/31/88, Revised: 3/95
 
PS: The FDA does not do drug studies BTW. They require them to approve new drugs or new indications for old drugs and they scrutinize them very carefully. Before computers, and still to some extent, data is delivered to the FDA by the truckload for this purpose. Drug studies are generally funded by the manufacturers who pay researchers to do studies for their products. In order to put some distance between the sponsors which are the drug makers and the researchers there are intermediary firms that contract wth drug firms to supervise such studies, provide randomization and blinding procedures, gather results and provide the requisite analysis. When researchers publish or announce that they have found favorable (or unfavorable) results with a particular product they have to disclose that they were being paid by XYZ pharmaceuticals. Sometimes researchers do not know who is paying them or what the product being tested is.
 
Further to the discussion above as to whether or not M.D.s practice homeopathy, it may be of interest that a dozen states license naturopathic physicians (ND or NMD), with homeopathy included within their scope of practice.

However, three states in the U.S. (Connecticut, Arizona, and Nevada) have a state licensing board that licenses medical doctors (M.D.s) to practice homeopathy. Arizona also has a provision for Homeopathic Medical Assistants (HMA) who work in conjunction with a licensed homeopathic medical doctor, MD(H). According to the laws of particular states or provinces, some licensed practitioners (MD, DO, DC, LAc, FNP, etc.) may be allowed to use homeopathy in their practice.

Minnesota and California allow registered practitioners of alternative medicine to practice without being licensed.
 
"A product's compliance with requirements of the HPUS, USP, or NF does not establish that it has been shown by appropriate means to be safe, effective, and not misbranded for its intended use. "

Not warrented for efficacy=BS
 
Ed said:

Not warrented for efficacy=BS

I can feel the goalposts shifting...

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Not at all. Homeopathy is like all other 'complimentary' medicine. Chicken soup. :rolleyes:
But if something is putting on the airs of modern medicine, you bet the FDA is gonna make sure they're not selling some crap that's going to make people sick. I imagine that's all they care about. As long as homeopathic stuff doesn't contain harmful substances, is clearly labeled, and doesn't advertise claims that are false, they can sell all the water they want.
 
Not at all? Ed said if there was anything to homeopathy they (I assume he means homepathic researchers and pharmaceutical companies, no, I see, the loons ) would be all over the FDA to gain their approval etc etc ...well, they, the loons et al are all over the FDA to gain their approval. The FDA has specific guidelines and regulations dealing with not only the approval of homeopathic preparations, but how they are made, where they are made, by whom they are made, how they are packaged and how they are labeled as well as what is OTC and what is prescription and... what they are used for. That's funny, sorta sounds like the same rules, regulations and dictates that govern the manufacture, packagaing, labeling and sale of any drug, OTC or prescription, found in the USP or NF..................

edited:

It should be pointed out that non-homeopathic drugs are also listed in the USP, HPUS and NF, so that the caveat added by Ed that this does not warranty their efficacy applies to any and all substances listed in the United States Pharmocopeia or National Formularly as well as the HPUS. It is NOT the business of the FDA or the organizations that run the USP, HPUS or NF to make claims or guarantee efficacy of anything they list. They are list makers, registrars of substances (following strict guidelines) and publishers, not testing agencies. However, like for any drug, the FDA does have a mechanism to approve labeling and therapeutic claims or indications for homeopathic drugs just as they do for non-homeopathic drugs (see document above).

But, obviously, the FDA is not going to guarantee or warrant any claims or effiaciousness. The FDA is going to make sure that all drugs are safe, or if not, that their side effects and interactions with other drugs, foods, etc are elucidated, published and disseminated in the approved circular or labeling for the product, However, the manufacturers must do this.

The manufacturers are also making the efficacy claims and bear the liability for them to the extent caveats and other warnings disseminated with their product to dispensers, prescribers and users permit. Has anybody looked at the PDR entries for package circulars of most of the allopathic new drugs coming on the market over the last 20 years? They cover their behinds to the maximum extent they can.

In short guys, Barnum-like statements that homeopathic pharmaceutical companies and proponents shun the FDA is
INCORRECT. Again, this has nothing to do with whether these drugs work or not; it has to do with the integrity and honesty of the skeptics who question them. If you make a skeptical argument based on dishonest, uninformed or fallacious statements, it hurts your case and your credibility.
 
I can't speak for Ed, but I think he meant FDA approving Homeopathy treatments for what they are rumored to do. (Cure, relieve, whatever)

Has the FDA endorsed any Homeopathic stuff as remedies or cures or pain relief? (Just curious here.)
 
The FDA has NOT approved homeopathy as effective medicines, have they?

I thought not.

Otherwise, they wouldn't need the "these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA" disclaimer.
 
A product's compliance with requirements of the HPUS, USP, or NF does not establish that it has been shown by appropriate means to be safe, effective, and not misbranded for its intended use.

This means that they can sell water and call it medicine.

Pending a final rule on this exemption, this testing requirement will not be enforced for homeopathic drug products.

No testing to be enforced?! Imagine that.
 
Please provide proof, evidence or regulatory language demonstrating that the FDA "endorses" any product. If
they do not do this for any allopathic product, one could hardly expect them to do this for a homeopathic one.
 
Please provide proof, evidence or regulatory language demonstrating that the FDA "endorses" any product. If
they do not do this for any allopathic product, one could hardly expect them to do this for a homeopathic one.


Please show me where allopathic products have the disclaimer "these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA".

SG, STFU. Homeopathy doesn't work and you are not going to convince anyone here that it does unless you can show some real science to back it up.

You are a stupid, ignorant troll.
 
SteveGrenard said:
Please provide proof, evidence or regulatory language demonstrating that the FDA "endorses" any product. If
they do not do this for any allopathic product, one could hardly expect them to do this for a homeopathic one.

Only people who believe in homeopathy use the word "allopathic". The term was invented by Hahnemann.
 
Thai: Please show me where allopathic products have the disclaimer "these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA".

Reply: The FDA has specific exemptions for testing of purity and assaying of homeopathic poducts because such testing is beyond the capabilities of standardized procedures and efficaciousness relies solely on the anecdotal compilation of "provings." This is no secret. They do inspect and provide oversight on the manufacture and packaging of homeopathic products as clearly provided in the document I posted above ...........if you read it.

So instead of answering my question with another question, show me the FDA regulation that says the FDA "endorses" any
product it approves for marketing? Again, if it does not endorse all products why should homeopathic drugs be an exception?

I am checking my medicine cabinet and I cannot find any OTC medicine, including those which were RX and now off prescription and sold OTC and my PDR and I cannot find any statement attached to any conventional medication that says "The claims of this product have been evaluated and are endorsed by the FDA. The FDA guarantees and warrantees the efficacy of this product for the purpose sold." It just ain't there. At least not on Prilosec or Claritin. I suspect it ain't there on anything else either.


Thai: SG, STFU. Homeopathy doesn't work and you are not going to convince anyone here that it does unless you can show some real science to back it up.

Reply: If you read my post, once again (getting tiresome) this is not about whether they work or not. We've been there and done that .... with studies demonstrating effiacy, non-efficacy and alleging the placebo effect. How the placebo effect works in young children or animals is another issue.

Thai: You are a stupid, ignorant troll.

Reply: My my, getting touchy are we now? Ad hominems are a poor debating tactic and reflect your problems, not mine. Try attacking the problem instead of the person and also make an effort to read what is posted more carefully. Or does your statement sum up the extent of your critical thinking skills?
 

Reply: The FDA has specific exemptions for testing of purity and assaying of homeopathic poducts because such testing is beyond the capabilities of standardized procedures and efficaciousness relies solely on the anecdotal compilation of "provings." This is no secret. They do inspect and provide oversight on the manufacture and packaging of homeopathic products as clearly provided in the document I posted above ...........if you read it.


In other words, they know it doesn't work but allow it's sales as long as it's not poisonous. They also acknowledge that there is no scientific data to support the claims that homeopathy works and have decided to allow it to work outside of science. Thanks for clearing that up.

So instead of answering my question with another question, show me the FDA regulation that says the FDA "endorses" any
product it approves for marketing? Again, if it does not endorse all products why should homeopathic drugs be an exception?


Show me where any "allopathic" drugs have the same disclaimer as homeopathic remedies. The FDA doesn't endorse drugs, but drug companies cannot make false claims (unless they have the disclaimer).

I am checking my medicine cabinet and I cannot find any OTC medicine, including those which were RX and now off prescription and sold OTC and my PDR and I cannot find any statement attached to any conventional medication that says "The claims of this product have been evaluated and are endorsed by the FDA. The FDA guarantees and warrantees the efficacy of this product for the purpose sold." It just ain't there. At least not on Prilosec or Claritin. I suspect it ain't there on anything else either.

Find any disclaimers?


Reply: If you read my post, once again (getting tiresome) this is not about whether they work or not. We've been there and done that .... with studies demonstrating effiacy, non-efficacy and alleging the placebo effect. How the placebo effect works in young children or animals is another issue.


The entire thread has been about whether homeopathy works or not. It is a fact that they don't work.


Reply: My my, getting touchy are we now? Ad hominems are a poor debating tactic and reflect your problems, not mine. Try attacking the problem instead of the person and also make an effort to read what is posted more carefully. Or does your statement sum up the extent of your critical thinking skills?


I'll stick with attacking both the issue and you. Homeopathy is BS. You are trying to convince people to believe that BS works. You are an idiot.
 
CFLarsen said:

Only people who believe in homeopathy use the word "allopathic".

That is not necessarily true I'd say. It simply gets tiring to type conventional or non-homeopathic, etc., all the time.

A Google search of 'homeopathy' + 'allopathy' yielded 6,220 hits. A Google search of 'homeopathy' - 'allopathy' yielded 242,000 hits.

You'd think that those who believe in homeopathy would talk about homeopathy and use the word allopathy, or -pathic. You'd think that the Google search of 'homeopathy' + 'allopathy' would yield results closer to the search of 'homeopathy' - 'allopathy', but it doesn't.
 
T'ai Chi,

Show me one reference that isn't used in connection with homeopathy.
 
thai: I'll stick with attacking both the issue and you. Homeopathy is BS. You are trying to convince people to believe that BS works. You are an idiot.

Well I guess I was right. This sums up the extent of your critical thinking skills. And you still don't know how to read.

Thanks.............
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Now I have a more interesting question to ponder regarding the placebo effect. I got the thought from a statement made by Dr. Jacobs regarding studies in animals and in young children with homepathic and conventional/conventional drugs and the fact that when both had similar levels of efficacy the effect of the homeopathic preparation was chalked up to the placebo effect.
When homeopathic drugs were tested against placebos, they also had similar levels of efficacy so the effect of both was interpreted as attributed to the placebo effect. When an active molecule (conventional/allopathic) drug is tested against a placebo the side effects are frequently found to be equal to those occuring in the placebo as well.

Jacobs asks if there is a positive effect in a dog or a young child who does not understand they are being treated with something for their problem ... the fact that they are not given a pep talk: such as:

"We are giving you something for your allergic rash, your diarrhea or your ear infection which will make it better.........."

A dog or an infant with a rash, diarrahea or a fever cannot comprehend that they are being given something to make them better. Because they cannot understand this advisory .. and then they get better on placebo as well as the homepathic remedy, Jacobs asks how do we know if its the placebo effect or not?

Ideas? Comments?
 

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