Homeopathy, hypocracy and vivisection

[RationalVetMed]

What do homeopaths like us to think about homeopathy - holistic, safe, trusted? Well, how about vivisection?

Even I didn’t consider laboratory animals would be used to test homeopathic remedies. Surely that would be anathema to a practice which preaches gentleness and holism. For years I believed the British Homeopathic Association (BHA) when they declared in their journal “Homeopathic medicines are NOT tested on animals and our Memorandum of Association clearly sets out that we may only ‘undertake and finance research into the problems of medicine WITHOUT vivisection’ 3(E)” [emphasis in the original].

Well, I was wrong – it appears their veterinary colleagues didn’t get the memo.

Have a look at the blog post for more - http://aillas.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/homeopathic-hypocracy-and-vivisection.html

Niall

 

[Daylightstar]

Could you provide a direct link to the description of the vivisection?

 

[abaddon]

Could you provide a direct link to the description of the vivisection?

http://www.homeopathicvet.org/Veterinary_Research_into_Homeopathy/Veterinary_Papers_Peer_Reviewed_files/Animal%20Studies%20by%20Name%20of%20Lead%20Author.pdf

Have lots.

 

[RationalVetMed]

Could you provide a direct link to the description of the vivisection?

I've uploaded a copy of my critique to the rationalvetmed website here - http://www.rationalvetmed.org/800%20papers%20(critiques).pdf

There are 39 papers (or 36 depending on your point of view) and I've included as many links as I could find along with a description of the vivisection involved.

Other links can be found on the original list of 800 papers published by BAHVS here - www.homeopathicvet.org/Veterinary_Research_into_Homeopathy/Veterinary_Papers_Peer_Reviewed_files/Animal%20Studies%20by%20Name%20of%20Lead%20Author.pdf

eta - sorry, I didn't notice abaddon had already posted this last one - thanks

Cheers,

Niall

 

[Kumar]

Just had a passing look on quoted link and I think, many studies are showing positive outcome about efficacy of homeopathy.

 

[The Don]

Just had a passing look on quoted link and I think, many studies are showing positive outcome about efficacy of homeopathy.

No....

 

[RationalVetMed]

Just had a passing look on quoted link and I think, many studies are showing positive outcome about efficacy of homeopathy.

True, but my point though is that none of the studies were of adequate quality to allow a proper assessment.

My other point was that homeopathic proponents seem to think that any evidence is good evidence - why else would they have included trials looking at herbal medicine and isopathy - there's even a book review in there, yet we're told these are all 'peer-reviewed studies'. They aren't.

I seriously wonder whether homeopaths actually read their own evidence before citing it.

Oh, and my other, OTHER blush point was I was truly amazed by the amount of vivisection involved.

Niall

 

[The Atheist]

Snake remedies were chosen

Oil, perhaps?

 

[Reality Check]

Getting back to the subject of this thread. There are also ethical regulations and guidelines for animal trials that homeopaths seem to ignore and be immune from. See Ethical considerations in animal studies

Before using animals, it is mandatory for researchers to clearly clarify their scientific purpose. There should be a reasonable expectation that the research will result in increasing scientific knowledge in different aspects of biomedicine and also will increase understanding of the species under study or provide results that could improve the quality of health or welfare of humans or other animals.

The brave author of Homeopathic hypocracy and vivisection waded through a crank homeopathy PDF lying about its content being peer-reviewed papers to find

The potential for bias was rife, with some trials sponsored by the manufacturers of the substance under test and nineteen published in pro-homeopathic journals. Not one of the papers was double-blinded and only a handful claimed even to be single-blinded. Some dated back to the 1970's, so old no references were to be found online.

The most shocking aspect of the list though wasn’t the misleading promise of ‘truth’ from the BAHVS, it was the scale of the vivisection involved. In the name of the gentle art of homeopathy, hundreds of laboratory mammals were variously burned with lasers, scalded, incised, crushed, irradiated, had their jaw and leg bones fractured, were poisoned with strychnine, injected with formaldehyde, dry-cleaning fluid and cancer cells, and infected with sleeping-sickness. One experiment in a later section measured the effect of homeopathy in mice on “writhing induced by intraperitoneal acetic acid”. And it wasn't just mammals. One paper involved a group of unfortunate snails having their equivalent of a central nervous system dissected out for study.

And yet, even after all that, not a single one of these studies was fit for purpose. Inadequate methodologies, publication bias, vested interest and small group sizes ensured the mass sacrifice had been in vain. We still hadn’t come anywhere near proving homeopathy as a viable system of medicine.

 

[zooterkin]

A number of posts have been moved to a more appropriate thread.
Please keep to the topic of this thread, thank you!

Posted By: zooterkin

 

[halleyscomet]

For years I believed the British Homeopathic Association (BHA) when they declared in their journal “Homeopathic medicines are NOT tested on animals

There is no such thing as a product that's never been tested on animals. All products are eventually tested on animals, although in some cases that animal is YOU.

When you see a "not animal tested" or similar label remember, you're looking at a product that jumped to testing on humans.