Homeopath: Psora can progress to syphilis

psora can lea dto the syphilitic miasm -she is not stated that psora causes the STD syphilis. They are different things. There is a related history but it's on a whole different level than what you are talking about.

I don't have time to explain miasms, It's waaaay to involed to get into here.
 
Barbrae said:
psora can lea dto the syphilitic miasm -she is not stated that psora causes the STD syphilis. They are different things. There is a related history but it's on a whole different level than what you are talking about.

I don't have time to explain miasms, It's waaaay to involed to get into here.
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Then just explain the difference between syphilis and the syphilitic miasm.

Seems you are inventing your own vocabulary here.

Leela says "syphilis". In the English I have learnt, that means syphilis, the STD. But, I'll go and ask her. After all, I cannot ask you to know what Leela means.

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
Then just explain the difference between syphilis and the syphilitic miasm.

Seems you are inventing your own vocabulary here.

Leela says "syphilis". In the English I have learnt, that means syphilis, the STD. But, I'll go and ask her. After all, I cannot ask you to know what Leela means.

Edited to add: But I assume, then, that you, Barbrae, do not agree that psora can lead to syphilis, the STD?

Hans
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Barbrae,

If you discovered you had syphilis, would you take only homeopathic remedies?

If yes, how can you be sure that you would not infect someone else?

If no, aren't you admitting that "allopathic" medicine works and that homeopathic remedies don't?

Very simple, very basic questions. I'm sure you don't mind me asking.
 
Mojo said:
In the UK (and probably most other countries) they might be able to get away with it using human rights legislation. They could claim that their religious freedom was being infringed by forcing them to visit a proper doctor.

Of course, to try this on they'd have to admit that homeopathy is a religion.:D
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Yep, homeopathy IS a religion!

But that still doesn't excuse homeopaths from failing to adqueately treat STDs, passing on STDs themselves, or allowing patients to pass on STDs. Or not reporting them officially, if so mandated.
 
What exactly are these 'homeopathic medications' being prescribed for Syphilis ?

I'm curious about this :
Don't homeopaths sometimes use tiny doses of Arsenic to treat certain conditions ?
Prior to mass production of Antibiotics, certain Arsenical compounds eg Salvarsan were the mainstay of Syphilis treatment as they were known to exert a toxic effect on Treponemae and some other spirochaetal bacteria. These were relatively effective but have since been widely replaced since the 1940s by Penicillin, Tetracyclines and other antibiotics. They are occasionally still given in conjunction with antibiotics to patients with exceptionally severe cases of Syphilis.

However, I doubt they would work in subtherapeutic concentrations used by homeopaths.

What do homeopaths actually treat Syphilis with ?
Arsenic compounds may actually have an effect.
 
Barbrae,

Read this, please. It seems Hanhemann himself claims he was an "expert" on the diagnosis and treatment of syphilis, and claimed to have cured it using his own invention, homeopathy. He makes it quite clear that "syphilitic miasm"* means a patient definitely has the STD syphilis.

Now, can we please cut to the chase:

1) How do homeopaths treat STDs of themselves and patients?

2) Do homeopaths comply with mandatory reporting of the occurrence and effective treatment of STDs?

3) What is the homeopathic view of the ethics of allowing (or preventing) patients from passing on STDs, given that homeopathy rejects the germ theory of disease?



*In simple homeopathic terms, it appears that "syphilitic miasm" is a bunch symptoms of syphilis that is being passed down through generations within one family tree. An heirloom, so to speak!
 
jambo372 said:
What exactly are these 'homeopathic medications' being prescribed for Syphilis ?

I'm curious about this :
Don't homeopaths sometimes use tiny doses of Arsenic to treat certain conditions ?
Prior to mass production of Antibiotics, certain Arsenical compounds eg Salvarsan were the mainstay of Syphilis treatment as they were known to exert a toxic effect on Treponemae and some other spirochaetal bacteria. These were relatively effective but have since been widely replaced since the 1940s by Penicillin, Tetracyclines and other antibiotics. They are occasionally still given in conjunction with antibiotics to patients with exceptionally severe cases of Syphilis.

However, I doubt they would work in subtherapeutic concentrations used by homeopaths.

What do homeopaths actually treat Syphilis with ?
Arsenic compounds may actually have an effect.
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Homeopaths do not treat a specific disease whith a specific remedy. They "take" the case, which means mapping the totality of the patient's profile; symptoms, personality, preferances, etc. Then they try to match the derived profile with the profile of a remedy. The profile of a remedy is derived by giving it to healthy test persons and recording whatever they experience (there is more to it, but this is the basics).

So patient A may be prescribed one remedy, whereas patient B, presenting with what conventional medicine would identify as exactly the same disease, may be prescribed a different remedy, based on the total profiles of the patients being different.

The content of homeopathic remedies is not only subtherapeutic, it is sub avogadro, meaning that the probability of them containing even a sigle molecule of the substance is less that 1.

There exists such things as low-potency homeopathic remedies, where there are traces of the raw substance, but the vast majority of remedies sold and used are high-potency.

I wrote a (critical) article about homeopathy, where I line up the basic principles in somewhat more detail, if you are interested. Here.

Hans
 
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MRC_Hans said:
From the link above, post by Leela (my emphasis):


Edited to add:

More from Leela (still my emhasis):


Please explain how I got it wrong.

Hans
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Hi Hans, I only have a couple minutes so this will be incomplete - and I will get to the other questions by posters later. I really don't want to get into the theory of miasms becuase it is too complicated AND it will open a whole other area for you folks to bash us homeopaths about and I am just to tired to defend all of it.

So, Hahnemann believed the bulk of chronic diseases were caused by "miasms". I beliebve the term miasm means a cloud or fog. ANyway, he believed most, 80-90% were casued by the psora miasm. Psora manifests itself with symptoms such as :skin problems, mental illness, allergies, organ disfunction (and a thousand others). The psoric miasm is "caused" by a suppression of a skin eruption - psoriasis, eczema, or scabies (his "itch" HC misinterpreted). SO if a person has psoriasis and it is suppressed from the medicine at hahnemanns time then he would go into the miasmatic state and possibly pass this state onto his offspring and future generations So a hundred years from the origional "case" a person with allergies and stomach ulcers is still said to have the psora miasm even though he/she or even possibly no one for generations before her hasd a suppresed skin eruption. Sigh, I really have to go....

SO - now the syphillitic miasm foollows the same thinking. It and sycosis accounts for only 20-15% of miams (at the time of hahnemann) and was origionally caused by a suppressed syphilis. This supppresssion causes the miasm to show itself as nervous disorders, suicidal tendencies, alcoholism, heart problems, (and a thousand others). Now - this miasmatic "taint" or "stain" is carried from one generation to the next, manifesting itself through the myriad of symptoms associated with it until today when a person has an alcoholic father and she has suicidal tendencies with xyz other symptoms so we say she has a syphilitic miasm. She does not not did not ever have syphilis.

Crap - I really gotta go - I am not finished though cause I want to address Leelas comment about psora turning to syph so I'll be bakc later.
 
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Barbrae said:
So, Hahnemann believed the bulk of chronic diseases were caused by "miasms". I beliebve the term miasm means a cloud or fog. ANyway, he believed most, 80-90% were casued by the psora miasm. Psora manifests itself with symptoms such as :skin problems, mental illness, allergies, organ disfunction (and a thousand others). The psoric miasm is "caused" by a suppression of a skin eruption - psoriasis, eczema, or scabies (his "itch" HC misinterpreted). SO if a person has psoriasis and it is suppressed from the medicine at hahnemanns time then he would go into the miasmatic state and possibly pass this state onto his offspring and future generations So a hundred years from the origional "case" a person with allergies and stomach ulcers is still said to have the psora miasm even though he/she or even possibly no one for generations before her hasd a suppresed skin eruption. .... and so on.
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Barb, I note you preface this with "Hahnemann believed that...." Yes, we know that. PLEASE tell me you don't! You really can't, can you? I mean, nobody with enough brain to find the "on" switch on her computer could possibly see that as anything other than early 19th-century utter twaddle?

Could she?

Rolfe.
 
I thought the whole miasm/psora theory was thrown out when John Snow proved that cholera was a water borne infection in 1854!
 
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Barbrae said:
So, Hahnemann believed the bulk of chronic diseases were caused by "miasms". I beliebve the term miasm means a cloud or fog. ANyway, he believed most, 80-90% were casued by the psora miasm. Psora manifests itself with symptoms such as :skin problems, mental illness, allergies, organ disfunction (and a thousand others). The psoric miasm is "caused" by a suppression of a skin eruption - psoriasis, eczema, or scabies (his "itch" HC misinterpreted). SO if a person has psoriasis and it is suppressed from the medicine at hahnemanns time then he would go into the miasmatic state and possibly pass this state onto his offspring and future generations So a hundred years from the origional "case" a person with allergies and stomach ulcers is still said to have the psora miasm even though he/she or even possibly no one for generations before her hasd a suppresed skin eruption. Sigh, I really have to go....

SO - now the syphillitic miasm foollows the same thinking. It and sycosis accounts for only 20-15% of miams (at the time of hahnemann) and was origionally caused by a suppressed syphilis. This supppresssion causes the miasm to show itself as nervous disorders, suicidal tendencies, alcoholism, heart problems, (and a thousand others). Now - this miasmatic "taint" or "stain" is carried from one generation to the next, manifesting itself through the myriad of symptoms associated with it until today when a person has an alcoholic father and she has suicidal tendencies with xyz other symptoms so we say she has a syphilitic miasm. She does not not did not ever have syphilis.

Crap - I really gotta go - I am not finished though cause I want to address Leelas comment about psora turning to syph so I'll be bakc later.
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Oy vey...

I was in the hospital here since very early this morning struggling for four straight hours to repair our MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging) system. I finally diagnosed the problem, and it's up and running... performing it's mundane miracles.

I can't even put into words how depressing it is to come back from that ordeal and see a grown adult offering some antique hogwash about clouds and fogs as if it had a single shred of relevance in modern medicine.

:(

10 AM

Is it too early for a belt of whiskey?
 
Capsid said:
I thought the whole miasm/psora theory was thrown out when John Snow proved that cholera was a water borne infection in 1854!
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That he did, but it was the main theory of the day explaining illness. It persisted somewhat past Snow, in one form or another. The whole miasma principle is linked in with the 'malaria' idea, that disease was essentially caused by bad air.

Athon
 
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Barbrae said:
...(his "itch" HC misinterpreted). ...
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So THAT's why my questions were never properly answered. And this is the first that I've been told that I misinterpreted anything. Must have been done in the confusion after I posted a bunch of studies against the "It works because I say so" answers.

So far no one has answered HOW a homeopath determines what the "internal itching" is... if it is a yeast infection (or something to do with the poet Yeats as one answer seemed to imply... do a search, it is there!), syphilis, or gonorrhea.

But I really understand what athon says when I ask this:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870764216&#post1870764216

and end up having to reply with this:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870785842&#post1870785842

Truly silly stuff.
 
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Psiload said:
Oy vey...



I can't even put into words how depressing it is to come back from that ordeal and see a grown adult offering some antique hogwash about clouds and fogs as if it had a single shred of relevance in modern medicine.
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Okay - I am going to state this very very very c l e a r l y!!!!! My comments are in response to Hans questions and his wrong assertation that Leela believed that psora causes syphilis. My discussion of miasms IS IN NO WAY OFFERED AS A "SINGLE SHRED OF RELEVENCE IN MODERN MEDICINE".

I was asked to explain the basics of miasm.relation to syphilis and Hans comment. That is all this post is meant to do.

IT IS NOT IN ANY WAY TRYING TO CONVINCE ANYONE OF ANYTHING, NOR IS IT TRYING TO LEGITIMISE ANYTHING OR ANYTHING CLOSE TO THAT - IT IS FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY, INFORMATION THAT WAS REQUESTED.

Posts replying to this such as yours are not only unecessary but unrelated to the topic.

I find it utterly depressing that I can be asked a question for information to clear up something, give that information, say NOTHING about that information relating to being evidence of anything and yet that is how it is interpreted. I suspect this is just one reason why the homeopaths that come here leave. they are asked a question, they reply to said question and the response is something like that above. Makes me wonder why I am so stupid to continue to reply to specific requests for info.

ANyway - to reiterate - THIS POST IS FOR INFORMATION REGARDING THE MIASMS ONLY, NOTHING ELESE.
 
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Hydrogen Cyanide said:
So THAT's why my questions were never properly answered. And this is the first that I've been told that I misinterpreted anything.
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aCTUALLY, i DID MENTION BEFORE THAT A YEAST INFECTION WAS NOT WHAT hAHNEMANN MENAT BY "ITCH" -
 
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Barbrae said:
ANyway - to reiterate - THIS POST IS FOR INFORMATION REGARDING THE MIASMS ONLY, NOTHING ELESE.
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Yes, I recognised that you stated that you were reporting what Hahnemann believed. I also recognised that you did not state whether or not you shared that belief.
Rolfe said:
Barb, I note you preface this with "Hahnemann believed that...." Yes, we know that. PLEASE tell me you don't! You really can't, can you? I mean, nobody with enough brain to find the "on" switch on her computer could possibly see that as anything other than early 19th-century utter twaddle?

Could she?
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Please come out and explain your own position on this, Barb. Do you believe that this theory is valid, and a true representation of the reality of disease transmission and progression, or is it a part of homoeopathy you personally discard and give no credence to?

The reason Psiload made his post was that in your post you gave no indication at all that you thought what you were typing was complete nonsense. Now, either you do think that, in which case you could have saved a lot of grief by stating so from the outset, or you don't, in which case Psiload's post was entirely justified.

Please explain your position.

Rolfe.
 
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