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Holy Crap...Huge Fire in Beijing

Wolfman

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Wow. This is literally a five minute walk from my apartment in Beijing; the hotel that is burning, the Mandarin Oriental Hotel, is architecturally striking, and was set to open soon as one of the most luxurious hotels in Beijing. Apparently, not being completed yet, the internal fire suppression systems had not been completed, or activated, so the fire swept rapidly through the entire building.

Speculation is that it was started by fireworks...given that there are about ten gazillion fireworks being set off at this time of year, that seems a reasonable guess.

 
Jaysus! The CNN video shows whole squadrons of embers flying away from the blaze; I hope nothing else catches.
 
Speculation is that it was started by fireworks...given that there are about ten gazillion fireworks being set off at this time of year, that seems a reasonable guess.

No no no that can't be it there are too many fires happening. We need to figure just what we did to offend Jesus, it's the only explanation that makes any sense!
 
This building was a fire trap. It is not built to Australian safety standards. If it had been only one floor would have been burnt. In Australia there is a thick layer of concrete between every floor. It would be impossible for a fire to spread from one floor to another within a short time. The fire brigade would have turned up and put the fire long before it spread to another floor.

Another issue is that smoke detectors or water sprinklers should have been installed before anything that could burn was put in the building. One of the best fire detection systems are people. If they were in the building they should have detected and reported the fire at a very early stage. Of course they may not have been on the floor that was on fire.

Wonder what actually burnt? The building itself should not have burnt. There must have been something inside that was flammable. I reject the idea of fireworks starting the fire, unless they were stored inside the building.

If you are in China working in a high rise start asking tough questions. Like when was the last time you evacuated the building? In Australia we do this every year. How often are the alarms tested? Who are your fire wardens (people who take over in a fire)?

Disclosure statement - I am a highly experienced fire warden in Australia. If there is a fire or any other emergency in the building then either me or another guy is in charge of 100+ people who work on the floor (including my managers).
 
Well, if it doesn't collapse, it will be further proof that WTC was brought down by CD.
 
Wow. Good time for China to take another look at its fire codes. And the organizations that make sure those fire codes are actually enforced in practice.
 
CCTV has apparently admitted that it was their fireworks which started the fire.
 
This building was a fire trap. It is not built to Australian safety standards. If it had been only one floor would have been burnt. In Australia there is a thick layer of concrete between every floor. It would be impossible for a fire to spread from one floor to another within a short time. The fire brigade would have turned up and put the fire long before it spread to another floor.

Another issue is that smoke detectors or water sprinklers should have been installed before anything that could burn was put in the building. One of the best fire detection systems are people. If they were in the building they should have detected and reported the fire at a very early stage. Of course they may not have been on the floor that was on fire.

Wonder what actually burnt? The building itself should not have burnt. There must have been something inside that was flammable. I reject the idea of fireworks starting the fire, unless they were stored inside the building.

If you are in China working in a high rise start asking tough questions. Like when was the last time you evacuated the building? In Australia we do this every year. How often are the alarms tested? Who are your fire wardens (people who take over in a fire)?

Disclosure statement - I am a highly experienced fire warden in Australia. If there is a fire or any other emergency in the building then either me or another guy is in charge of 100+ people who work on the floor (including my managers).
Well, the hotel is built by a highly reputable international company; perhaps part of the issue is in the fact that the hotel was not yet finished, it was still under construction (which is why the fire suppression system was not on). A lot of this is based on scuttlebutt I'm getting from friends in Beijing, but apparently although the fire suppression system was installed, it had been turned off (because ongoing construction, particularly welding, could potentially set it off).

When was the last time they evacuated the building? It wasn't occupied
How often are the alarms tested? The alarms were turned off, for the reasons stated above.
Who are the fire wardens? I doubt they had any...it was unoccupied.

My personal wager about what started this...is the construction crew themselves. I can very easily picture a bunch of them on top of the building, with a big cache of fireworks. Something goes wrong, and a fire is started. The construction crew (who generally don't have a lot of safety training) panic, and the fire quickly gets out of control.

Although there were some construction workers in the building at the time, apparently none of them were injured; the only death that's been reported thus far is one of the firemen.
 
Well, I made the above post...then found the most recent article about the fire, pretty much confirming my hypothesis:
“According to the Beijing fire department, this fire occurred because the person in charge of the construction of the new building project of CCTV, without permission, hired staff to set off fireworks that violated regulations,” China Central Television said in a statement on its website.
 
The questions I asked in post 4 paragraph 4 were meant to be about high rise buildings you work in, not the building that was on fire.

Wonder what sort of fireworks can set an entire building on fire? One floor maybe, not several. These would have been outside not on the roof. So they must have broken several windows. Then burnt materials that were inside. The police should have been empowered to arrest those setting them off before the accident happened.

Do not think it very relevant what company built the building, companies need only build to local standards.
 
This building was a fire trap. It is not built to Australian safety standards. If it had been only one floor would have been burnt. In Australia there is a thick layer of concrete between every floor. It would be impossible for a fire to spread from one floor to another within a short time. The fire brigade would have turned up and put the fire long before it spread to another floor.
Don't have a lot of earthquakes in Oz though, do you?
 
Wow. This is literally a five minute walk from my apartment in Beijing; the hotel that is burning, the Mandarin Oriental Hotel, is architecturally striking, and was set to open soon as one of the most luxurious hotels in Beijing. Apparently, not being completed yet, the internal fire suppression systems had not been completed, or activated, so the fire swept rapidly through the entire building.

Speculation is that it was started by fireworks...given that there are about ten gazillion fireworks being set off at this time of year, that seems a reasonable guess.


More WOW, I was in Beijing in Saturday the 7th. Looking right over at that building. We usually stay at Trader's Hotel when in Beijing.

Hans
 
The questions I asked in post 4 paragraph 4 were meant to be about high rise buildings you work in, not the building that was on fire.
Ok
Wonder what sort of fireworks can set an entire building on fire? One floor maybe, not several. These would have been outside not on the roof. So they must have broken several windows. Then burnt materials that were inside. The police should have been empowered to arrest those setting them off before the accident happened.
According to the article linked, these were large industrial fireworks (not something you'd buy from the corner store), quite high power. Also according to several articles, there were a lot of highly flammable materials inside as part of the construction (what kind? I don't know). And yes, it wasn't on the roof...it was on the ground outside the building (I was wrong in that part of my theory).

Not even any need to break windows...since the building was still under construction, the upper portion still had areas that were not complete.

And the police? Dude, this is a city of 13 million people, that was literally being inundated with fireworks. Its part of Chinese New Year! Its not like there was this one place with fireworks, and the cops could say, "Hey, lets go and see what those people are doing!". There are fireworks everywhere, and pretty much non-stop. The police certainly were "empowered" to arrest them...they just wouldn't of had any way to tell that, out of the literally millions of legal fireworks being set off across the city, that this particular one was illegal.

A CCTV executive decided to put on a 'special' fireworks show, and hired a local fireworks company to put on a high power display. He did not get the necessary permits and clearances before doing so (and he's sure as hell going to get a lot of $&% over his decision).
Do not think it very relevant what company built the building, companies need only build to local standards.
It is relevant when both the architect and the company in question have built famous buildings around the world, and have a high reputation for both quality and safety. Obviously, something went wrong this time...but I rather doubt that the fault will be with the builder.

Yeah, there are a lot of things that, in an ideal world, would be different. But it ain't an ideal world. Fire suppression systems were shut down in an incompleted building (due to the danger of being set off by construction activities); industrial fireworks (really just very large packages of explosives) were set off right beside the building, and somehow one or more of them got inside the building. In an environment where the entire city was being carpeted with fireworks, there was little or nothing that police could do to stop/prevent this.

Ironically, for many years, Beijing had strict laws preventing the use of fireworks within city limits, specifically because of the danger of starting fires. A few years ago they rescinded those laws. I predict that we're gonna' see them brought back into effect now.
 
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Just for reference, here's the website for the architectural firm responsible for this hotel...check their projects, you'll find an impressive resume of international buildings. "Who built it" is a very relevant issue.

And this just in...it appears that, despite the apparent intensity of the fire, the basic frame survived unharmed, and they won't have to tear it down. They can just re-build (albeit its gonna' take a lot more time and money).
 
Update:

After some idle time (probably to plan and sort out financing ;) ), the restoration is now in full swing.

Picture from today (see date of post):
 

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