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And what do the murderers of five people all have in common? They all belonged to Infowars and posted on Alex Jones web site. Some club they have over there.
 
A W Smith said:
And what do the murderers of five people all have in common? They all belonged to Infowars and posted on Alex Jones web site. Some club they have over there.
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surprise...surprise...surprise.

if AJ has half a brain..he will shut down comments for his articles..and his silly forum.
 
While I don't think a universal category can be applied to the truth movement... the likes of paranoia that exists with Jones, et al makes that movement much more of a magnet for that sort of crazy nuttery... Those who don't condemn criminal acts within the movement lack moral capacity more than anything else barring that some areas of the movement's beliefs don't already make that the case.
 
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A W Smith said:
And what do the murderers of five people all have in common? They all belonged to Infowars and posted on Alex Jones web site. Some club they have over there.
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OMFG! FIVE murderers all posted on Alex Jones Website!! Shock! Horror!! :eye-poppi:eye-poppi

I'm sure you cold find many more than FIVE murderers who, I dunno, were avid viewers of Fox News. I mean that makes viewers of Fox News a bunch of murderers doesn't it? :rolleyes:

Oh and I'm sure there many more than FIVE, rapists who regularly watch Family Guy!!

The stretching of associations in order to smear 'truthers' is, quite frankly, pathetic.

A W SMith, you're arguments make you look really really really stupid.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
While I don't think a universal category can be applied to the truth movement... the likes of paranoia that exists with Jones, et al makes that movement much more of a magnet for that sort of crazy nuttery... Those who don't condemn criminal acts within the movement lack moral capacity more than anything else barring that some areas of the movement's beliefs don't already make that the case.
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What about the paranoia that is obsessed about smearing Alex Jones? That's far more crazy than Jones is?

There's some arguments that are based upon nothing more than an unabated lack of self esteem in this thread.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
I don't think human nature discriminates between artificially assigned species of people... "debunker" or "truther." Killers tend to be bat ***** crazy, sadistic, conspiracy mongers, dinged in the head... whatever the case.

Now perhaps I'm missing some point between these comparisons, but being stupid enough to believe in this conspiracy theory does not automatically constitute being an anti semite/murderer. I find that aspect a matter of how mental an individual has broken down or how twisted they think.... Just my personal opinion
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I think that you may be right, here, in that perhaps some folks are mis-assigning the cause versus effect here. For instance, it's certainly plausible that these folks believed in these nutty conspiracies because they were mentally unbalanced and prone to violence, rather than being nutty and prone to violence as a result of being exposed to conspiracy theories.

Of course, it's also possible that there was some other personal, mental or social problem that was responsible for all of the behaviors. I'm not a psychologist.

I think that the vast majority of conspiracy theorist aren't violent or dangerous, it's just that a few of the people who are attracted to that sort of thing are, and some subset of those act upon their fantasies.
 
Tin Foil Timothy said:
What about the paranoia that is obsessed about smearing Alex Jones?
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Do you know what the definition of the word "paranoia" is? Because you don't seem to be using the word properly in this context.

That's far more crazy than Jones is?
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And I'm not sure that was supposed to be a question.

There's some arguments that are based upon nothing more than an unabated lack of self esteem in this thread.
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I don't think it's inappropriate to point out that a number of people that have been associated with the 9/11 Truth Movement to varying degrees have murdered other people, while no one associated with the "debunker movement" has killed anyone, as far as we're aware.

It's a legitimate observation.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
Do you know what the definition of the word "paranoia" is? Because you don't seem to be using the word properly in this context.




And I'm not sure that was supposed to be a question.




I don't think it's inappropriate to point out that a number of people that have been associated with the 9/11 Truth Movement to varying degrees have murdered other people, while no one associated with the "debunker movement" has killed anyone, as far as we're aware.

It's a legitimate observation.
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What 5 people? It's a very silly observation! Gimme a break.

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Your 3 points are not only laughable but are all based upon a biased world view of debunkerism.

The last point is especially bogus as you won't be able to declare these murders as having their roots in the 'truth' movement.

The person who sis the subject of this thread is a racist murderer. The fact he thought 911 was an inside job was of no more consequence than his choice in beer.

What's laughable is the need for those with low self esteems to elevate themselves above another group like the truth movement.

I think it's great that people question whether 911 was an inside job. I'm agnostic on the subject, IOW I wouldn't discount the possibility but I'm not 100% convinced either way.

There's no evidence to prove it wasn't an inside job and there's no evidence to prove it was. So both dewunkers and twoofers are working on belief and are as bad as each other AFAIC.

The argument to smear twoofers by proclaiming them as murderous racists and even terrorists is childish IMO.

But you guys carry on. It obviously makes you feel better about yourselves and that's all that matters right? All this thread amounts to is a self indulgent vent-fest.
 
T.A.M. said:
Brainster, you may want to go and copy/save this private email from Von Brunn posted on Robert Lindsay's site...

http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/exclusive-correspondence-from-james-von-brunn/

TAM:)
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Red flags all over that post, TAM. He's bravely posting private correspondence with VB "until the cops tell me to take it down. This was forwarded to me from a person who wants to remain anonymous."

And the blogger himself is a nut, apparently.

This puts it in the interesting but I'm very skeptical category. What's the difference between this and the Alex Jones post?

Timing. The Alex Jones post was before this guy was famous, the Robert Lindsay post is after.

BTW, as somebody pointed out here, the job of copying webpages is really quite easy, press print screen, open your photo editing software for your digital camera, paste (ctrl-V or shift-insert) and you've got the page stored forever. No, you don't need to press alt with print screen.
 
Tin Foil Timothy said:
Saying "This is the fourth person killed by a 9/11 truther this year." is nonsense and nothing to do with anything
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It is in this sub forum.

TFT said:
There's no evidence to prove it wasn't an inside job and there's no evidence to prove it was. So both dewunkers and twoofers are working on belief and are as bad as each other AFAIC.
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Do you have to practice to write posts as stupid as that?
 
Tin Foil Timothy said:
What about the paranoia that is obsessed about smearing Alex Jones? That's far more crazy than Jones is?

There's some arguments that are based upon nothing more than an unabated lack of self esteem in this thread.
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haha

Sorry, there is NOTHING more crazy that Alex Jones.

He promotes hatred. He promotes the "rising up" of people like you, and his other followers, against the man, against the rich and powerful...and we all know who he and many of his followers feel are included in that group.

You can try and protect your glorious leader all you want, but the fact is that someone listened to his hate speech, along with others, and decided to act out on the anger and hatred that it fueled inside him.

End of story.

TAM:)
 
Brainster said:
Red flags all over that post, TAM. He's bravely posting private correspondence with VB "until the cops tell me to take it down. This was forwarded to me from a person who wants to remain anonymous."

And the blogger himself is a nut, apparently.

This puts it in the interesting but I'm very skeptical category. What's the difference between this and the Alex Jones post?

Timing. The Alex Jones post was before this guy was famous, the Robert Lindsay post is after.

BTW, as somebody pointed out here, the job of copying webpages is really quite easy, press print screen, open your photo editing software for your digital camera, paste (ctrl-V or shift-insert) and you've got the page stored forever. No, you don't need to press alt with print screen.
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Yah I know. I am not collecting them, but I thought for those who are, that this one MIGHT turn out to be telling.

You are probably right, but you never know...this guy was not exactly quiet about his rantings.

TAM:)
 
Tin Foil Timothy said:
Saying "This is the fourth person killed by a 9/11 truther this year." is nonsense and nothing to do with anything
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Not it's not nonsense. You admit to knowing virtually nothing about 9/11 itself, so it goes without saying that you don't know really anything about your fellow truthers.

This is something that I think needs to be clarified for both sides. Despite the recent explosion of lethal violence by people connected to Alex Jones and the truth movement, not all of them should qualify as truther violence.

The Holocaust museum slaying: Definitely a truther killing. The man believed that zionists were behind 9/11... and pretty much everything else so he carried out an attack at what is basically a shrine to the perseverance and courage of the jewish people.

The Tiller murder: NOT a truther killing. While it's rumored the shooter was a frequenter of Alex Jones's websites and if the rumors are true, would likely have been a truther himself, the abortion issue was an emotionally charged whacko magnet well before 9/11.

The Pennsylvania police killings: Truther killings. Truther mythology holds that law enforcement and military personnel will be the modern equivalent to the gestapo when the "real perps behind 9/11" start rounding us all up. Alex Jones's maniacal, near stroke inducing blowout over being passed on the freeway by a police officer would be a likely motivating factor in both the Pennsylvania and Holocaust museum attacks.

The Sean Fitzgerald case: I'm going to say NOT a truther killing (and I say that regretting my own earlier reference to it in this thread). Sean Fitzgerald was sick. He was ill. His victim didn't have any connection to anything one could peg as "NWO". Seans father went out of his way to help him. Seans illness made him unstable, and it would have done so if he had fixated on anything other than 9/11 or NWO conspiracism. The mythology of the Alex Jones cult is simply what was there in front of Sean when his illness put his mind in the state where it was going to latch onto something.

Six murders connected to Alex Jones and/or the 9/11 truth movement. But only four of them are truther killings.

For there to be a "debunker killing" you would have to tie the motive for the attack to debunking 9/11 whackos. Good luck with that.
 
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