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Holocaust deniers, explain this.

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Gawdzilla said:
Deniers are experts at "special definitions", so that shouldn't be a challenge.
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So why are some people making such a big deal about "Jews" based on the OP?

Where are they getting the word "Holocaust" from aside from the title?

There is nothing in the material that mentions these.
 
kageki said:
If that's all then it isn't anything unique in history. The issue is if the "Holocaust" happened.
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No, that is not the issue. It happened, the evidence is there, and it is overwhelming - end of discussion.

The issue, as you put it, is whether or not the various Nazi apologists, anti-semites and Hitler worshippers will admit that it happened.
 
Chaos said:
No, that is not the issue. It happened, the evidence is there, and it is overwhelming - end of discussion.

The issue, as you put it, is whether or not the various Nazi apologists, anti-semites and Hitler worshippers will admit that it happened.
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What exactly happened?

Were gas chambers really involved? That's part of the issue.
 
kageki said:
So why are some people making such a big deal about "Jews" based on the OP?
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You just mentioned the Jews.
Where are they getting the word "Holocaust" from aside from the title?

There is nothing in the material that mentions these.
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Willful ignorance is better than no ignorance at all, I take it?
 
Gawdzilla said:
Care to expand on that. I'm bored.


The OP is fine with the title, I do believe.
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Where did the OP get the word Holocaust from? It wasn't mentioned anywhere in the material that was provided.

I can suggest something like "Nazi atrocities".
 
kageki said:
After reading the arguments against gas chambers, I have started to think that it was actually impossible and unlikely. Certainly anything is "possible", but I found the arguments against gas chambers compelling.

Why is it such a big deal to you?

That's because everyone knows that if you take the gas chambers away then the Holocaust by all means disappears. That's why method matters.

What do you think will happen if gas chambers turn out to be false? Is it clear to you now?
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Not really. This is what I don't understand. The piles and piles of dead bodies in the OP for example COULD be explained away as "typhus" or some other issue. However, the fact that the prison didn't try to get help if they were having an epidemic shows that they didn't care if the prisoners died.

Think of it this way. If we imprisoned the guys in Abu G. (forgot the name) and thousands of those guys started piling up like those dead bodies in the OP any sane decent prison warden is going to contact the government and say "We have a situation on our hands, we need help because we have large casualties"

Now the thing is EVEN if they were POWS or Enemies of the STATE OR people they didn't care if they died anyway, it creates a HUGE HUGE problem for any sort of prison 'health wise" for all those involved especially the German Nazi's to have that large of a number of dead bodies around.

Do you see what I am saying? To suggest that these deaths were unintentional is not logical. If you have a prison and thousands of bodies are piling up, from a health risk standpoint and just a "how the hell do we deal with this" standpoint, the prisons or camps would be trying to do something to lower the numbers of deaths.

You keep claiming that they were doing this in the efforts to delouse the prisoners. So why would they stop there? If their intention really was to keep it under control why do we have no documentation of alarm from the Prison Wardens to the guys in charge asking for HELP since things have gotten far out of control?

The obvious answer is that the prisons were death camps. The method of death varied. But again, if you are doing mass exterminations, why not use Gassing? I'm still not seeing why you are so opposed to it.


Actually I am.

I think part of the problem with the Holocaust is that people don't like that the Jews have this massive victim trump card. People think they are "playing the card too much" and that they "win" because of the Holocaust.

Thus that resentment breeds contempt and a desire to "Hit back" and hurt them where it hurts the most. The cruelest way to do this is to deny the cruelest thing that happened to them. That is, the extermination and gas chambers.

I kind of get a sense you are doing that.

Because really what difference does it make how they died? If they were exterminated they were exterminated. If they were tortured and starved they were. You don't get hundreds of thousands of people from ALL different backgrounds with the same version of the truth unless it's probably true. So I think this has more to do with resentment than truth on your part.
 
truethat said:
Not really. This is what I don't understand. The piles and piles of dead bodies in the OP for example COULD be explained away as "typhus" or some other issue. However, the fact that the prison didn't try to get help if they were having an epidemic shows that they didn't care if the prisoners died.
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The usual lies from the Zionists. The camp commandant at Belsen was Josef Kramer and his correspondence was captured including a letter to the chief camps administrator, requesting medicine, supplies, etc, to deal with the impending catastrophe at Belsen .... you can read his letter, translated, here...

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Belsen/Kramer010345.html

For the usual chorus of Zionist idiots, the letter is not in dispute.
 
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