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Holocaust deniers, explain this.

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Saggy said:
The Jews have a habit of disappearing. They disappeared in WW I too. Check this article that claimed there was a holohoax of 6 million Jews in WW ONE ....

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Miraculously they recovered in time to suffer a second holohoax during WW II.
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The Crucifixion of Jews Must Stop!

The Crucifixion of Jews Must Stop! is an article by Glynn that appeared in the October 31, 1919, issue of The American Hebrew lamenting the poor conditions for European Jews after World War I. Glynn referred to these conditions as a potential "holocaust" and asserted that "six million Jewish men and women are starving across the seas".[2][3] Because of these possible coincidences, the article has [allegedly] been exploited by Holocaust-denial groups. Others, while in no way intending to deny the Holocaust, nonetheless acknowledge that the commonly-quoted figure of six million deaths is an estimate, that the actual number may have been higher or lower, that not all of the victims were Jewish, and that there is a wide margin of error.[4]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_H._Glynn

[4] = http://www.ushmm.org/research/library/faq/details.php?lang=en&topic=03
 
Bluespaceoddity said:
That wall with the door you keep showing -indifferent to repeated corrections- wasn't the original end wall of the room when that part of the building was used as gas chamber.
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Drivel. The scrapbook.com pages guy took the tour and asked a guide why the prisoners didn't break the window and escape, rather than getting gassed. The guide said there was an armed guard stationed on the other side of the door to shoot escapees. LOL. Complete idiocy.

You can check scrapbook pages for the full story.

If you want to see a guided tour of the hoax gas chamber, with an official guide, see

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html
 
Gawdzilla said:
Some people don't believe in evolution. Some people don't think gravity is a law. Some people don't think the materials in regard (no "s" needed there, btw) the Holocaust is not very compelling.

All three, same bucket.
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Evolution has not been universal,to judge by the tosh that kagegi posts.
 
Saggy said:
Drivel. The scrapbook.com pages guy took the tour and asked a guide why the prisoners didn't break the window and escape, rather than getting gassed. The guide said there was an armed guard stationed on the other side of the door to shoot escapees. LOL. Complete idiocy.
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Pity you couldn't have been there to see if they were good shots or not.
 
Saggy said:
Drivel.
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Not all sketches and blueprints for conversions to that 1920s structure survive but there are plans that show the additional wall with its own additional door.

The actual building still shows the signs of the wall having been there as well. Same with the physical evidence for the additional Zyklon B introduction hole that wasn't reopened during the poorly executed restoration.
And a little harder to detect but the residue from the gassing is also still there. Was in 1994 at least.

Who ever tells you otherwise is simply wrong (or lying). And this isn't the first time that has been said to you either. Did you read Dwork and van Pelt's Auschwitz (1270)? You can't pretend not have read Pressac, or at least peeked at the pictures, when David Thompson provided the link for you, can you? Actually, you probably have no trouble pretending that.

So, go ahead, post the next non-sequitur from your routine. (Not my thread, go litter somewhere else is what I should have written)
 
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Bluespaceoddity said:
Not all sketches and blueprints for conversions to that 1920s structure survive but there are plans that show the additional wall with its own additional door.

The actual building still shows the signs of the wall having been there as well. Same with the physical evidence for the additional Zyklon B introduction hole that wasn't reopened during the poorly executed restoration.
And a little harder to detect but the residue from the gassing is also still there. Was in 1994 at least.

Who ever tells you otherwise is simply wrong (or lying). And this isn't the first time that has been said to you either. Did you read Dwork and van Pelt's Auschwitz (1270)? You can't pretend not have read Pressac, or at least peeked at the pictures, when David Thompson provided the link for you, can you? Actually, you probably have no trouble pretending that.

So, go ahead, post the next non-sequitur from your routine. (Not my thread, go litter somewhere else is what I should have written)
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Complete drivel, for reasons previously cited.
 
Oh Saggy, you seem to be ignoring post 159. Or are you worried about how your newest Nazi you've read about at IHR or CODOH, Georg Konrad Morgen, says that yes, infact, there were extermination camps? Your thoughts on his testimony would be appreciated.
 
Uzzy said:
Oh Saggy, you seem to be ignoring post 159. Or are you worried about how your newest Nazi you've read about at IHR or CODOH, Georg Konrad Morgen, says that yes, infact, there were extermination camps? Your thoughts on his testimony would be appreciated.
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He also says the extermination camps were run by the Jews for the Jews. Classic stuff.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/08-07-46.asp


"MORGEN: I asked Wirth what this had to do with the Jewish wedding. Then, Wirth described the method by which he carried out the extermination of Jews, and he said something like this: "One has to fight the Jews with their own weapons, that is to say "pardon me for using this expression-"one has to cheat them."

Wirth staged an enormous deceptive maneuver. He first selected Jews who would, he thought, serve as column leaders, then these Jews brought along other Jews, who worked under them. With that smaller or medium-sized detachment of Jews, he began to build up the extermination camps. He extended this staff of Jews, and with these Jews Wirth himself carried out the extermination of the Jews."

In short, what a freaking farce the holohoax is.
 
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Wow, that's what you take from it? Rather then the lengths the Nazis went to in order to trick the Jewish populace into heading into the camps, by having prominent Jews work for him and holding Jewish cultural events?
 
Uzzy said:
Wow, that's what you take from it? Rather then the lengths the Nazis went to in order to trick the Jewish populace into heading into the camps, by having prominent Jews work for him and holding Jewish cultural events?
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LOL
 
Uzzy said:
Wow, that's what you take from it? Rather then the lengths the Nazis went to in order to trick the Jewish populace into heading into the camps, by having prominent Jews work for him and holding Jewish cultural events?
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Are we expected to believe that Jews were naieve enough to be "tricked" into thinking that the Jews were holding cultural events? Let's not be silly here. Those Jews who aided in the deaths of their brethren are even worse than the Nazi's who killed them.


Kegeki, You still haven't answered my question. What is the big deal to you in discounting Gas Chambers. I'm seeing a mistake in your reasoning. That's why I asked you the question earlier.

If you accept that Jews were rounded up as enemies of the state and that the Eugenics movement of Hitler was basically exterminating "undesirables" what reason do you have for arguing against a gas chamber?

You might say burying people alive is simple but obviously it is not. They tried doing this as well but of course someone had to dig the pit first. Not to mention dealing with the trauma of the witness of the guards. It simply is impractical.

What is your aversion to accepting use of a Gas Chamber as a completely practical solution to large numbers of executions with minimal effort? Do you honestly think it is that impossible to believe?

I'd like you to address why you seem so especially focused on denying the use of Gas Chambers. Seems to me you are arguing two different things here that seem to validate the other view, without realizing it.
 
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truethat said:
Are we expected to believe that Jews were naieve enough to be "tricked" into thinking that the Jews were holding cultural events? Let's not be silly here. Those Jews who aided in the deaths of their brethren are even worse than the Nazi's who killed them.


Kegeki, You still haven't answered my question. What is the big deal to you in discounting Gas Chambers. I'm seeing a mistake in your reasoning. That's why I asked you the question earlier.

If you accept that Jews were rounded up as enemies of the state and that the Eugenics movement of Hitler was basically exterminating "undesirables" what reason do you have for arguing against a gas chamber?

You might say burying people alive is simple but obviously it is not. They tried doing this as well but of course someone had to dig the pit first. Not to mention dealing with the trauma of the witness of the guards. It simply is impractical.

What is your aversion to accepting use of a Gas Chamber as a completely practical solution to large numbers of executions with minimal effort? Do you honestly think it is that impossible to believe?

I'd like you to address why you seem so especially focused on denying the use of Gas Chambers. Seems to me you are arguing two different things here that seem to validate the other view, without realizing it.
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After reading the arguments against gas chambers, I have started to think that it was actually impossible and unlikely. Certainly anything is "possible", but I found the arguments against gas chambers compelling.

Why is it such a big deal to you?

That's because everyone knows that if you take the gas chambers away then the Holocaust by all means disappears. That's why method matters.

What do you think will happen if gas chambers turn out to be false? Is it clear to you now?
 
Gawdzilla said:
And now, Part II.

"What I Saw In Europe."

Deniers? I know you won't read that.
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"The Elite Guard Commandant of the camp had a prostitute wife who was clever in handicraft. They would bring these new prisoners in from all over Europe. They would watch, and if they had unusual tattoo marks, that skin would be cut off and given to her to be tanned, while the victim still lived; or, if he struggled, they killed him and then worked more effectively. Out of this skin lampshades and novelties were made."

How horrible.
 
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