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The subject is Holocaust denial, and you are ignoring WELL established evidence of what happened there. Again, NO one agreed to your arbitrary rules (one sided) nor did we agree to them.

This is forum to discuss the topics that are conspiracy in nature. IF you dont like the rules as set by the MEMBERSHIP agreement you AGREED to, you can leave.

YOU do not dictate how conversations flow here, and you can't simply dismiss something because someone here doesn't want to play hyour pathetic little game.

YOU were given SEVERAL sites to refer to that have touched upon EVERY SINGLE lie that the holocaust deniers have set fort YOU are bringing nothing new to the table.
Why have you not bothered to read the links provided? Thats a couple of monhts of reading material alone
 
Budly said:
Hi QuestioningGeller:

The US Holocaust Memorial Museum website has a "Holocaust Encyclopedia." If you look up "gas chamber" you get an article called "Gassing Operations." After the article, there are 4 sources listed for further reading. Pressac's book is listed as number three, and no I don't think you're going to be able to get that removed by sending them an email with a link to this thread. Do I stand by the books allegation that 95 percent of Zyklon B was used for delousing? Answer: No, since I believe that 100% of the Zyklon B was used for delousing. But the point in the video is that a recognized source (as in recognized by the USHMM) states essentially that a pile of Zyklon B cannisters is not evidence for the holocaust.
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So let me see if I understand what just happened above:

1) You include a video of Cole citing a specific claim in a book. Cole ignores everything else in the book.
2) You believe a book is "valid" because the Holocaust Museum puts in on its internet website.** You ignore everything else on the website.
3) Now, you say you don't believe that book because you "believe that 100% of the Zyklon B was used for delousing."


Is that correct?



**Budly wrote: "I think it's a valid source..."
 
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Hi Arus808,

The subject isn't "holocaust denial" in general. That's obviously what you and A.W. Smith think, since he decided to put up his own video and photos and discuss those instead.

Maybe you can understand this in 9-11 terms: If I want to discuss the plane flying into the Pentagon, and a poster wants to talk about the World Trade Center, and I specifically want to talk about the Pentagon...do you see the point? I.e. parameters of discussion can be set by the intro post. We're discussing specific videos which promote holocaust denial, and the links I was offered (except one) are to sites which are not apparently aware of these videos. I'm familiar with these sites, which is why I know that Nizkor, for instance, doesn't deal with these videos.

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Budly, please do not alter names, especially if the altered name is insulting of if the member has asked that people not alter it in this fashion. If you are having problems spelling, you can use cut-and-paste. Better yet, use the quote button
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Hi Foolmewunz,

Those tags relate to the videos found at holocaust denial videos dot com. Would you like the thread removed or something? If a moderator wants to remove those tags, that's fine with me. But, Idi Amin, is discussed in the video "Nazi Shrunken Heads" for instance. "Psychological Warfare" was discussed in the Buchenwald video for instance. That's why those tags are there. Think of the heterogenous tags that would be part of the movie Zeitgeist Addendum, for instance.
 
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Hi QuestioningGeller:

It's not what I include, it's what the video includes. Cole refers to what the book says about piles of cans of Zyklon B. I think if the USHMM uses it as a reference, then it's not spurious for a denial video to use it as a source.

The book says 95%, I believe 100%. Perhaps we can move on, because I'm restating here what I've already said.
 
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Budly said:
The subject isn't "holocaust denial" in general. That's obviously what you and A.W. Smith think, since he decided to put up his own video and photos and discuss those instead.
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So what? Why must we adhere to YOUR videos (and your rules), when there are MANY other videos and documents online that address the CLAIMS in your videos.

Again, the title of your thread is Holocaust Denial Videos. Did you miss the part where it says "Holocaust Denial" ? That means you open up the thread to ADDRESS The overall subject at hand. Not just the videos; which YOU" yet to provide a reason to ask us to watch them, as it presents NOTHING new, to the entire holcaust denial claims. As pointed out, the video you want us to watch was already dealt with

If you have a specific claim that hasn't been addressed before (in videos or not), then post that. Do not regurgitate long debunked claims.
 
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Hi Arus808,

I didn't mean to spell your name wrong. Sorry. I'm new to the forum and not familiar with the names. Why don't you watch one of the videos and comment on it. I already gave you, per your request, an episode and a question regarding that episode.
 
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Budly said:
It's not what I include, it's what the video includes.
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So you just denied that it's your video even though its the same voice over as the rest of holocaustdenialvideos.com's videos?

I hope you aren't denying that Budly, youtube.com/denierbud, holocaustdenialvideos.com are the same person.

Budly said:
It's not what I include, it's what the video includes. Cole refers to what the book says about piles of cans of Zyklon B. I think if the USHMM uses it as a reference, then it's not spurious for a denial video to also use it.

The book says 95%, I believe 100%. Perhaps we can move on, because it feels like we're going around and around on this.
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So you are willing to pick and choose what to include based on what? You are going to accept the Holocaust Museum as a source when it suits you and ignore it when it doesn't.

That is not intellectually honest. In fact, it shows you are not "open" to other "views".

I must ask what source/reason you have for dismissing what you called a "valid source" (Pressac's book) specifically mentioned in the video:

http://holocaustdenialvideos.com/donahue_b.html

Again, we are playing by your "guidelines" to "discuss a specific episode of a specific video."
 
Budly, just post the links so that the rest of us don't have to go hunting them down. I will watch them and give you my opinion. Of course it will be on my own terms, and not yours.
 
I find Holocaust deniers to be very disturbing. Back in 2002, I went on a trip to Germany and as part of the trip we went to Buchenwald in Weimar. I personally saw the ovens and gas chambers inside the camp, with remains still inside them. It was chilling.

Have you been to one of these camps, Budly? If all you have are ideas and baseless claims from some crackpot website, I suggest you take a trip to Germany and get yourself a real history lesson.
 
Hi Fullflavormenthol,

Thanks. As a new member I'm not allowed to post links. They are videos found at holocaust denial videos dot com. I'd start with "One Third of the Holocaust."
 
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Hi Vermonter,

That's interesting that you mention that, because had you gone to holocaust videos dot com, you would have seen there's a 2 hour video on Buchenwald, the camp you visited.

I personally saw the ovens and gas chambers inside the camp,
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I don't know how you could have seen a gas chamber there, since Buchenwald didn't have a gas chamber even according to the standard story put forth by holocaust scholars. You can verify this by looking it up at the Holocaust Encyclopedia at the ushmm.org.

Similarly if you go to the official Buchenwald website at Buchenwald.de you won't find a mention of a gas chamber, so I'm not sure how you saw one there.
 
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Anyone find it hypocritical that holocaustdenialvideos.com writes about his youtube.com/denierbud account:

holocaustdenialvideos.com said:
Below is a sort of scrapbook of censorship: Good faith efforts to solicit rebuttals, and blocked attempts to promote the video One Third Of The Holocaust.
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22 chapters of my video got deleted in one day on July 2, 2007, and I got a separate automated email message for each one. The other chapters had been deleted long before. 31 videos posted. 31 removed. I went through the Youtube appeal process to protest their being deleted, and as a result, I succeeded in getting Youtube staff to put back up the first episode of "One Third of the Holocaust" but whatever internal workings at google/youtube happened, 8 months later, out of the blue, the first episode of One Third Of the Holocaust got deleted for a second time. Currently I have 3 videos on youtube. One is a video that discusses youtube censoring me. ...
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If you look at those three videos at youtube.com/denierbud each one says: "Adding comments has been disabled for this video."

Why would someone who complains about censorship and the lack of rebuttals disable people from responding to his videos?
 
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Budly, unfortunatly you have opened up a can of worms that is very pungent. The reason you are getting such a hostile reception is the experience that JREF has had with Holocaust deniers. Myself, I have never debated a holocaust denier that was open to debate. It's simlpy "The Holohoax (as some of them call it) didn't happen. End." As well, when we confront them with the evidence they either 1) Run away or 2) deny it's real evidence by saying it's fabricated, paid for by the gov't etc etc. A poster here by the name of Magz has done both 1 and 2.

You maybe willing to debate, but are you willing to accept facts is the real question.
 
Well I will just be honest and write that my agent orange is acting up when someone says they are open to debate and then puts a bunch of restrictions on what they will accept in a debate.
 
abenja1 said:
Budly, unfortunatly you have opened up a can of worms that is very pungent. The reason you are getting such a hostile reception is the experience that JREF has had with Holocaust deniers. Myself, I have never debated a holocaust denier that was open to debate. It's simlpy "The Holohoax (as some of them call it) didn't happen. End." As well, when we confront them with the evidence they either 1) Run away or 2) deny it's real evidence by saying it's fabricated, paid for by the gov't etc etc. A poster here by the name of Magz has done both 1 and 2.

You maybe willing to debate, but are you willing to accept facts is the real question.
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Indeed, I agree.

I'm the only one playing by Budly's "rules," but alas I get no reply to why he rejects what he called a "valid" source from his own video that he edited and gave a voiceover to.

My post: #49 at 06:30 AM
Vermonter: #51 at 06:32 AM
Budly: #53 at 06:59 AM

(Assuming, as evidence suggests, that youtube.com/denierbud/holocaustdenialvideos.com and budly are one in the same.)
 
Budly said:
Hi Vermonter,

That's interesting that you mention that, because had you gone to holocaust videos dot com, you would have seen there's a 2 hour video on Buchenwald, the camp you visited.

I don't know how you could have seen a gas chamber there, since Buchenwald didn't have a gas chamber even according to the standard story put forth by holocaust scholars. You can verify this by looking it up at the Holocaust Encyclopedia at the ushmm.org.

Similarly if you go to the official Buchenwald website at Buchenwald.de you won't find a mention of a gas chamber, so I'm not sure how you saw one there.
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I'll give you that one. I -thought- it was a chamber, but you are correct. However, there were still slaughter rooms within the camp. My other points are still 100% valid. Care to refute those?
 
Do a google search for Thomas Blatt, a Holocaust survivor.

The first website that comes up is the wikipedia, the second is Budly's Holocaust denial website calling Blatt a "fraud," then the rest are poland.usembassy.gov , pbs.org , imdb.com and so on.

Disgusting.
 
Vermonter said:
I'll give you that one. I -thought- it was a chamber, but you are correct. However, there were still slaughter rooms within the camp. My other points are still 100% valid. Care to refute those?
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Are you referring to the space directly underneath the crematorium with the hooks mounted high up on the walls?

If I'm not mistaken quite a few Soviet prisoners were executed there before they were entered on the camp's ledgers - about 8,000 don't appear on the official SS acount of the Buchenwald death toll.

Even had a special room disguised as a medical facility. They'd line the prisoner up against a wall with a height-measuring device affixed to it. This had a hole through which a person would fire a single shot through the neck of the prisoner, killing him instantly.

Oh, and BTW - does this 'Budly' character have anything to do with the IHR?
 
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