Holocast: Gas Chambers: David Cole

[Leviath]

The imprisoned Jews had money, bought jam, muffins and other things in a canteen and were rewarded with visits to a brothel and the use of a pool for performance.

>> Not sure all of this is true. Some question of Nazis after the war discuss extermination as well as brothers. This motivational tactic doesn't prove there were exterminations of the less productive prisoners.

A norwegian Holocaust surviver (Erling Bauck, unfortunately I don't think his books are in english) describes this in a few books. He did have access to "luxuries" like decent food and cigarettes. However, Bauck was not a jew. He was the son of a norwegian military officer. This meant that Bauck got treated better because there was some kind of hierarchy of jobs in the camps. He got access to jobs jews would never come close to.

So this is may partly be true, but it only include a very small percentage of the prisoners. And the jews were probably excluded.

The same goes for the letters. Bauck even has scans of many of his letters in his books.

The Russian archives of ALL death certificates indicate few people actually died during the war as a result of being interned in the camps.

>> Not sure about this. Where can I see these numbers? Are they legit?

Bacasue when you perform mass homicide you make sure to write death certificates. I know the Germans are considered thorough and systematic, but come on.

As for David Cole:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/c/cole.david/cole.recants

 

[fagin]

This thread started off low, and now that Magz and Saggy have joined in, drops right off the page.

All this arguing minor points is pointless.

It happened, sufficient proof if you need it, eyewitness accounts on both sides.

To deny it is the same (on a different scale of course) to denying planes flew into the WTC.

If your 'friends' deny the holocaust, suggest you find brighter friends.

 

[Resolver]

Ya, I just wanted to try to turn them around. The more I look into this, the more I see how much BS there is in 'revisionism'/denial. I started out a little curious about certain points, but after an increasingly good look at the issues and the methodologies, the 'revisionists' motives really come to question.

The question as to, why, given all the evidence, do people question the Holocaust, becomes more telling, as you can see by reading Cole's interaction with Faurisson, who seems to simply find a damning conclusion in whatever way possible.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/c/cole.david/cole-vs-faurisson-struthof

To answer Magz questions, these 'friends' of mine are young. 2 of the total 3 are Iranian. None of the 3 have first hand knowledge of the event. 1 of the 2 Iranians is also partly (1/2 or so) Muslim by heritage on the fathers side, and from what I've heard, identity issues has pushed him towards his fathers Muslim perspective on many things. I'm not sure about other Iranian. I only know the part-Muslim guy in real life. The other 2 are Facebook acquintances made through him.

I've looked through the Cole questions, and here is what I think of the few different types he makes:


1) Drains -- scared prisoners bunched up together would probably never notice the drains (Piper and Pressac didn't), then find the zyklon pellets on the ground between the crowd, figure they're deadly and not for cleaning, throw them in the drains in time, even if possible.

2) Blockable holes, windows, etc., same explanation.

3) Why the Nazi's didn't blow certain chambers up? Who knows what was going on in their heads?

4) Gas chambers in plain sight: Maybe to torment people's minds.Maybe to scare laborers to work harder. Who knows? How about Piper saying Krema 1 was moved because it was in sight? So what if he did say that? So he was wrong.

5) Doors opening inwards, no locks: These particular rooms may not have been gas chambers. Or the rooms were modified at some point. It does not mean no gas chambers existed.

6) Zyklon B - There ARE significant levels of the gas as shown in the post-Leuchter report that, seems to me, David Irving misrepresents!

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/polish/institute-for-forensic-research/

To many, the point of revisionism is to help bring about National Socialism, regardless of whether they believe in the Holocaust, as you can plainly read at the bottom of this racist essay:

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/ame...te-peoples-party/nswpp-on-revisionism-01.html

The 'questions' they bring up are purposed to instill doubt and hatred in the rest of us, and I don't want to be part of that. Personally, I can understand why Cole would want to recant, as well. After dealing with types like Faurisson and friends that make false statements and methods to do their dirty work, he didn't want to be used by them in their BS even if some of his questions are legitimate, though minor.

 

[Saggy]

To answer Magz questions, these 'friends' of mine are young. 2 of the total 3 are Iranian.

While you're answering questions, why not answer this one - do you believe a gas chamber can have an unsealed wooden office door, with a large plate glass window, like the the Krema 1 'gas chamber' at Auschwitz?

 

[TSR]

While you're answering questions, why not answer this one - do you believe a gas chamber can have an unsealed wooden office door, with a large plate glass window, like the the Krema 1 'gas chamber' at Auschwitz?

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You mean the one that is freely acknowledged to a *reconstruction* by everyone but you? Is it more believable that an air raid shelter would have these features?

How much would it take to seal the door, after all? Well, when one considers that Zyklon has been designed to be used with as little as a canvas tent for "sealing", one can easily comprehend that a simple strip of felt would be sufficient -- and in fact is what was apparently used in at least some cases.

Your turn: why to do continue to claim that the Dachau gas chamber was a functional shower room and to be in possession of pictures proving this, while only being able to cite a video which specifically names it a gas chamber?
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