HMB Endeavour

[amb]

Thanks, all! Nice photos, Rat.


Now, then. Stop this silliness! Captain Cook is mine! My grandma said we are related to him, so m'nerrrr!




Cool! Go on. Pics are good.

Sorry to disappoint you all. But Captain Cook was an Italian. His real name was Coocoli, but since the church held so much power in Italy at the time, he sailed under a British name and ship !

 

[gumboot]

Anyway it amazes me that Capt. Cook and his crew sailed that tiny ship around the world and made so many accurate maps over 200 years ago.

Considering the technology Cook had to work with, his map of New Zealand is pretty remarkable, and was still used until relatively recently. The only two major errors he made was to draw Banks Peninsula as an island (although there's some theories that it was an island back then) and Stewart Island as a peninsula.

 

[Brainache]

What you're forgetting is that civil cases only ever arise if the complainant initiates a case. In 99.9% of such instances, the person won't even know their photo was taken, and because nothing was ever going to happen with the photo except personal use, there's no reason it would ever arise.

But let's say you took an amazing photo that you uploaded to Facebook without the person's permission, and Facebook then sold that photo to an advertising company who used it in conjunction with an STI education campaign, and the person in the photo encountered it.

That person would have the legal right to sue you, and would win.

Legally speaking, if anyone uploads a photo of you to their Facebook page or whatever, and you have an issue with it, Facebook is obliged to remove it, and the user who uploaded it has violated Facebook's terms and conditions.

Sites like Facebook get away with it because when you upload a photo you certify that you have all rights relating to the image, thus if there's ever a legal issue it's the user that has breached the law and not Facebook.

You're talking about commercial use, that is different to just snapping a picture at a tourist site and puttng on the net.

If the picture was taken in a public place, no permission is required. Read this link Rjh01 so generously provided:
http://www.artslaw.com.au/info-sheets/info-sheet/street-photographers-rights/

 

[arthwollipot]

One of these things is not like the other:

But let's say you took an amazing photo that you uploaded to Facebook without the person's permission, and Facebook then sold that photo to an advertising company...

...Sites like Facebook get away with it because when you upload a photo you certify that you have all rights relating to the image, thus if there's ever a legal issue it's the user that has breached the law and not Facebook.

If you have all rights relating to the image, Facebook cannot sell it to an advertising company.

Anyway, rjh01's link gives the definitive answer. As long as you are not using the image for commercial purposes, or for the purposes of stalking or harrassing, you are legally permitted to take someone's photo without their permission. In fact, I was wrong earlier when I said you couldn't take a photo of a child. You can, so long as it is not indecent or pornographic.

But as I said, in some cases I believe it to be rude, and I probably wouldn't do it on principle.

 

[Helen]

Wonderful pictures, Orphia! I wish you could take pictures of the smells as well...

I've been out on this once: http://www.flickr.com/photos/swedishshipgotheborg/sets/72157623687480932/
The original, part of the Swedish East India Company, sank in 1745, and was rebuilt recently in full scale, using traditional techniques. She sailed to China and back, once again, a few years ago.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Cool, Helen! Great photo album. I would have loved to see the Endeavour in full sail, and go out on her.

Mind you, when I was below deck and the boat moved a bit, I felt a bit woozy a couple of times. Not exactly seasick, but perhaps the beginnings of it, which was odd because I've never had it before.

 

[gumboot]

One of these things is not like the other:

If you have all rights relating to the image, Facebook cannot sell it to an advertising company.

Ah, yeah they can. When you upload a photo to Facebook you grant them a license which allows them to do that (amongst other things).

 

[Brainache]

Ah, yeah they can. When you upload a photo to Facebook you grant them a license which allows them to do that (amongst other things).

Evidence?

 

[supaluminal]

Thanks for the photo tour. Very nice!

Does anyone know if the tassels on the ropes in the mess and hammock photos are just decorative or do they have a practical purpose?

Not sure about the tassels in the mess, they were likely to be purely decorative, but tassels (and tassel like devices) were very useful on ships with loads of rigging as they enabled the running rigging to slide past standing rigging or fixed parts of the ship without getting too worn. The hemp ropes that were used on sailing vessels could be quite abrasive compared to modern polymer ropes, and obviously broken ropes would be a pain to deal with and would result in a sail being out of action.

And of course, that would most likely happen in a storm, when you're least able to deal with it.

I remain nothing short of amazed when I think of how tiny the ships were compared to modern vessels, and the times and distances they were sailed over.

 

[rjh01]

Ah, yeah they can. When you upload a photo to Facebook you grant them a license which allows them to do that (amongst other things).

Evidence?

Hope you do not mind me answering that question. Looks like gumboot is correct. You put it on Facebook then Facebook can sell it to whom they want. I suggest you put photos elsewhere. Except for your crap photos. Even that is doubtful.

For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License). This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it.

Ref: https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms

 

[gumboot]

Evidence?

For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License). This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it.

...

When you publish content or information using the Public setting, it means that you are allowing everyone, including people off of Facebook, to access and use that information, and to associate it with you (i.e., your name and profile picture).

Facebook Statement of Rights and Responsibilities

 

[Brainache]

Hope you do not mind me answering that question. Looks like gumboot is correct. You put it on Facebook then Facebook can sell it to whom they want. I suggest you put photos elsewhere. Except for your crap photos. Even that is doubtful.


Ref: https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms

Facebook Statement of Rights and Responsibilities

Thanks. Yet another reason to have nothing to do with Facebook.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Not sure about the tassels in the mess, they were likely to be purely decorative, but tassels (and tassel like devices) were very useful on ships with loads of rigging as they enabled the running rigging to slide past standing rigging or fixed parts of the ship without getting too worn. The hemp ropes that were used on sailing vessels could be quite abrasive compared to modern polymer ropes, and obviously broken ropes would be a pain to deal with and would result in a sail being out of action.

And of course, that would most likely happen in a storm, when you're least able to deal with it.

I remain nothing short of amazed when I think of how tiny the ships were compared to modern vessels, and the times and distances they were sailed over.

On the tour, they also showed us a rope tassel near the "toilet" (a board with a hole in it on the side of the ship) which they told us the sailors used to dip in water and wipe themselves with when they'd finished.

 

[arthwollipot]

Ah, yeah they can. When you upload a photo to Facebook you grant them a license which allows them to do that (amongst other things).

Then you do not have all rights relating to the image.

 

[gumboot]

Then you do not have all rights relating to the image.

Huh?

 

[Brainache]

One of these things is not like the other:

If you have all rights relating to the image, Facebook cannot sell it to an advertising company.

...

Ah, yeah they can. When you upload a photo to Facebook you grant them a license which allows them to do that (amongst other things).

Then you do not have all rights relating to the image.

Huh?

Any clearer now?

This is really all a bit beside the point though, isn't it? Orphia posted her pics on JREF, not Facebook didn't she? The pictures were not posted for a commercial purpose and she doesn't have to worry about any legal complications. Nor does anyone else posting pics in this thread as far as I can tell.

 

[SpitfireIX]

Thanks so much for posting these, Orphia; they're marvelous. Ten years ago I visited the USS Constellation in Baltimore, but Endeavour is much cooler; Constellation isn't able actually to sail under her own power anymore.

 

[Damien Evans]

Thanks so much for posting these, Orphia; they're marvelous. Ten years ago I visited the USS Constellation in Baltimore, but Endeavour is much cooler; Constellation isn't able actually to sail under her own power anymore.

Well the Endeavour that sails now isn't the original, it's a replica. The original was scuppered back in 1778.

 

[Rat]

Well the Endeavour that sails now isn't the original, it's a replica. The original was scuppered back in 1778.

To be fair, there's a bit of the Ship of Theseus about every preserved ship of any real age. The Victory is still technically in commission, but I suspect an awful lot of it is not original.

 

[Damien Evans]

To be fair, there's a bit of the Ship of Theseus about every preserved ship of any real age. The Victory is still technically in commission, but I suspect an awful lot of it is not original.

Yes, but this one was actually built from the ground up in the 1990s.