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Mercutio said:
Or it can mask a problem that remains.
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Good point, Merc. Especially true when people squander their limited financial resources on fakery to the exclusion of medical science.
 
TheBoyPaj said:
Is your username Suggestologist because you just suggest that you have a point to make rather than actually making it?
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I think he's so dense that he didn't understand that he was being stabbed at.
 
thaiboxerken said:
You play silly word games, Suggestologist. I will not get into it. Yes, Reiki is a ritual.. but to compare it to a handshake is STUPID. People are not claiming that a handshake will heal a person. Reiki people ARE claiming to cure diseases and medical conditions. That is why Reiki is BS, because it does NOT cure disease and medical conditions.
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Are there other claims it makes -- apart from claiming to cure disease -- that it achieves with regularity? Or do you not know enough to answer that question?
 
Suggestologist said:
What I mean of course, is; before watching a Laurel & Hardy marathon, one should consult with their physician -- if they have pre-existing medical problems. One would not want a better attitude to mask physiological problems, would we?
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People don't go watch TV to heal themselves, in contrast, if they think reiki healed them when it didn't, that's potentialy dangerous.
 
Suggestologist said:
My point here has been obvious. Clearly. Those who fail to see it will continue bumping into objects they don't believe exist; because they are too afraid to examine and communicate those realities and people with whom they disagree.
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Right. Well I must be so dumb as to not comprehend your greater understanding of the world. I may be wrong, but I think I'll get over it.

Hey, you know what? I just did.
 
TheBoyPaj said:


Right. Well I must be so dumb as to not comprehend your greater understanding of the world. I may be wrong, but I think I'll get over it.

Hey, you know what? I just did.
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You'll keep bumping into reality because you keep failing to look where you are and where you're going. That's your problem, not mine. Just keep assuming without checking, keep making things up about that which you cannot be bothered to take a healthy examination, to ask a person a question before assuming yourself knowledgable. There are too many jerks out there for me to be overly concerned with the ones on this forum.
 
I didn't ask for your opinion. You couldn't help sticking it in regardless.

Run along. You have people to fleece.
 
Powa said:

People don't go watch TV to heal themselves,
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Well, intent doesn't matter. It's the result that counts. People who are in jeopardy of accidentally curing themselves -- or even just improving their condition - by watching television should be warned by their physicians.

BTW, does anyone understand the reference to Laurel & Hardy and curing one's problem? Any cognitive psychologists out there who know of the case I'm alluding to?

in contrast, if they think reiki healed them when it didn't, that's potentialy dangerous.
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If they think reiki healed them without checking with their medical doctor, I agree that would be dangerous.
 
TheBoyPaj said:
I didn't ask for your opinion. You couldn't help sticking it in regardless.

Run along. You have people to fleece.
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Yes, you've been running along and bumping into things too freely. But again, that's your problem.
 
The attitude of Suggestologist is one of a TROLL. He has contributed nothing but angst to the thread. Word games and semantics don't interest me.

Reiki is a BS method based in superstition and adds no real value to humankind.
 
thaiboxerken said:
The attitude of Suggestologist is one of a TROLL. He has contributed nothing but angst to the thread. Word games and semantics don't interest me.
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You aren't an interestable sort of person. You can't be bothered to examine the beliefs of those you disagree with. You can't be bothered to think, instead of repeating slogans. You just can't be bothered to bother about anything, can you?

Jerk.

Reiki is a BS method based in superstition and adds no real value to humankind.
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You don't know enough about it to make that statement with any credibility, but for those who are already convinced, without full examination, just as yourself.
 
A simple question, Suggestologist (and please bear in mind my feeble intellect when wording your response). What level of reading about Reiki do I have to undertake before you will consider my opinion valid?
 
You don't know enough about it to make that statement with any credibility, but for those who are already convinced, without full examination, just as yourself.

False, I know enough. It is considered "alternative" medicine for a reason. It has not been proven effective. One does not need to become a Reiki practitioner in order to have a valid opinion on whether it works or not.
 
The premise behind reiki was taken from touch therapy that hospitals normally perform on premis to keep them developing. The idea is that if you are a child and being touched and massaged makes you feel secure and comfortable it would work just as well to have someone pay attention to you. Anyway the scam basically developed out of that because having someone give you physical reassurance in a plutonic way increases health in general.(I mean, theres always a little truth in myths)
 
TheBoyPaj said:
A simple question, Suggestologist (and please bear in mind my feeble intellect when wording your response). What level of reading about Reiki do I have to undertake before you will consider my opinion valid?
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I prefer primary source experience. In other words, at least see it done. Better: have it done to you. Even better: do it yourself. And above all, give it an honest chance. If it's really BS, you'll have the opportunity to reevaluate sometime after the experience. Are you convinced enough in the fact that it's BS to not consider it BS for the time being while you experience it for yourself?

When I read about gestalt therapy, I wasn't satisfied. I went to a college media library and watched old black-and-white tapes of Friedrick "Fritz" Perls, smoking Cigars at Esalon while he worked with people.

Of course, I view things like reiki and auras and so on as synesthetic metaphors; I wouldn't necessarily expect most people to come to that conclusion.

And ... Metaphors are what We Live By.... Metaphors organize how we look at and react to the world. Ritual can deeply change the metaphors we use.

The idea that Reiki serves no beneficial funcion is ridiculous. And obviously so. Nearly anything can produce benefit. The question one should ask is not "Is anyone helped by doing X". Instead ask, "Are more people helped than hurt while doing X?" Because, you know, even labotomy did help some people.

And even pretending to be a tree with ripening fruit falling off of yourself for an hour each day can help some people.
 
thaiboxerken said:
You don't know enough about it to make that statement with any credibility, but for those who are already convinced, without full examination, just as yourself.

False, I know enough. It is considered "alternative" medicine for a reason. It has not been proven effective. One does not need to become a Reiki practitioner in order to have a valid opinion on whether it works or not.
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Thank you. I now understand how you come to the conclusions you do. You are working off of a Signal Response to "alternative medicine". To you, "alternative medicine" means "not effective".

S-R conditioning.

However, if you look at quack watch, you may find an article which takes issue with the idea that biofeedback and hypnosis being called alternative. The fact is that hypnosis is highly studied, you can't find a psychological journal that doesn't include articles about it. And I'm not as familiar with biofeedback.

So, I advise you to not immediately assume that just because a medical procedure or technique is termed "alternative"; that doesn't mean that it has no effect.

Words are symbols. Work on not eating the menu.
 
Suggestologist said:


I prefer primary source experience. In other words, at least see it done. Better: have it done to you. Even better: do it yourself. And above all, give it an honest chance. If it's really BS, you'll have the opportunity to reevaluate sometime after the experience. Are you convinced enough in the fact that it's BS to not consider it BS for the time being while you experience it for yourself?
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I see. And by that token you would suggest that the best way to work out how David Blaine does his tricks would be to watch his TV special?

I was under the impression you knew of some proof that Reiki is effective. I now see that you do not.
 
TheBoyPaj said:


I see. And by that token you would suggest that the best way to work out how David Blaine does his tricks would be to watch his TV special?

I was under the impression you knew of some proof that Reiki is effective. I now see that you do not.
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Ah, the specious PSP once again rears its ugly head, Paj. Suggestologist needs to jump out the top floor window in a twenty-story building before being convinced he won't survive it. PSP, my man, PSP.

For those needing a good mnemonic to remember Suggestologist's questionable advice, simply think "PiSs Poor".
 
TheBoyPaj said:


I see. And by that token you would suggest that the best way to work out how David Blaine does his tricks would be to watch his TV special?

I was under the impression you knew of some proof that Reiki is effective. I now see that you do not.
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I am not claiming that reiki is or is not effective. I am claiming that nearly anything can be effective for some things.

If you want to understand magik, learn some. Reading about it is boring without practicing the actual magic tricks. That's my experience.

If you want to learn David Blaine's tricks, become his buddy. I doubt that someone who has Never done a magic trick could work out how Blaine does his stuff.
 
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