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Do those goalposts have wheels or do you move them the hard way?
Hitchens Indicts Obama
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Do those goalposts have wheels or do you move them the hard way?
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* drums fingers lightly on desk *
That would be "shifting the goalposts" if I had ever claimed that those words appeared in Obama's big speech. I did not.
To recap. I said that Obama had described the language as "inflammatory". Instead of asking me where he had so described it, BPSGC, what's the phrase, "shifted the goalposts" by asking me where he had so described it in his big speech. I replied pointing out that what I had actually claimed was correct. And now you complain that I'm shifting the goalposts?
Wow, that's as good as when you claimed I was "gullible" after you failed to take me in, or when you said that I had a "bunker mentality" for not believing something that you admitted in the same post was "100 percent inaccurate".
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Call it shifting the goalposts if you wish; I had to point out the important significance of the two venues in which he spoke. The rest of what you say is indeed correct. But the point is, Obama said "inflammatory" on a TV show carried by one network, meaning that network, and only that network, could rebroadcast it. When he was making a public speech being carried simultaneously all over the country, he no longer condemned Wright's language as inflammatory and began calling it "controversial," as if honest people could disagree honestly about whether the government deliberately invented AIDS to kill off the black population.
Obama achieved what he intended. The MSM has latched onto "controversial;" I even hear people on Fox News calling Wright's rants "controversial."
Thing is, the damage has been done. Obama has lost votes as a result of this foofraw. He certainly did not gain any white voters by the revelation of his relationship with this racist demagogue, and since he's already getting 90% + of the black vote, he certainly didn't get any additional black voters, either. But people offended by his intellectual dishonesty and ethical turpitude in dealing with this slimeball are having a change of heart about Obama - as evidenced by the polls suddenly showing McCain now leading him in the national race.
And that's not a controversial statement.
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And yet curiously we both know what he said without watching Fox.
No, no, it's perfectly simple.
If someone says "America has a lot to answer for", that is a controversial opinion (in America, at any rate).
If someone says "God damn America", that is inflammatory language.
He called the inflammatory language inflammatory language, and he called the controversial opinons controversial opinions.
It's really very simple.
* buries head in hands *
The stuff he was calling controversial was exactly the stuff that he had been describing as controversial since the story broke.
* beats BPSGC over the head with a copy of Not Being Wrong For Beginners *
True, I never said otherwise. I've just been trying to put down the sleazy wordgames that certain persons have played about this issue, trying to pretend that Obama's satements about it are inconsistent. It annoys me 'cos of, y'know, the idiocy and the inaccuracy and so forth.
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