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Hitchens Indicts Obama

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It's been more than a month since I began warning Sen. Barack Obama that he would become answerable for his revolting choice of a family priest. But never mind that; the astonishing thing is that it's at least 11 months since he himself has known precisely the same thing. "If Barack gets past the primary," said the Rev. Jeremiah Wright to the New York Times in April of last year, "he might have to publicly distance himself from me. I said it to Barack personally, and he said yeah, that might have to happen." Pause just for a moment, if only to admire the sheer calculating self-confidence of this. Sen. Obama has long known perfectly well, in other words, that he'd one day have to put some daylight between himself and a bigmouth Farrakhan fan. But he felt he needed his South Side Chicago "base" in the meantime. So he coldly decided to double-cross that bridge when he came to it. And now we are all supposed to marvel at the silky success of the maneuver.

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More eloquent than I could hope to be.
 
There was a radio interview today where Obama basically admitted that he knew Wright was like this from private talks. However, he excused it based on Wright's work for the community.

Obama keeps stretching the "i wasnt in church that day" denial further.
 
The poor guy goes to church to cover up his Muslimitude and manages to pick the wrong one. Maybe there is a God. :D:D:D:D:D:D
 
Now, by way of which vent or orifice is this venom creeping back into our national bloodstream? Where is hatred and tribalism and ignorance most commonly incubated, and from which platform is it most commonly yelled? If you answered "the churches" and "the pulpits," you got both answers right. The Ku Klux Klan (originally a Protestant identity movement, as many people prefer to forget) and the Nation of Islam (a black sectarian mutation of Quranic teaching) may be weak these days, but bigotry of all sorts is freely available, and openly inculcated into children, by any otherwise unemployable dirtbag who can perform the easy feat of putting Reverend in front of his name.
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I love it when Hitchens gets going. :D
 
corplinx said:
There was a radio interview today where Obama basically admitted that he knew Wright was like this from private talks. However, he excused it based on Wright's work for the community.

Obama keeps stretching the "i wasnt in church that day" denial further.
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No, that's what he said from the start.

I'm surprised that your obsession with this story hasn't led you to take the slightest interest in it.
 
I really never had much use for Hitchens to begin with. He is an atheist, attempting to address how a devout Christian should relate to God and his religious community.

I would as soon ask Paris Hilton for advice on pet care.
 
Dr Adequate said:
No, that's what he said from the start.

I'm surprised that your obsession with this story hasn't led you to take the slightest interest in it.
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Why does someone who can't even vote for this man feel so compelled to misinform for him on an internet forum where you won't convince anyone of you spin?
 
corplinx said:
Why does someone who can't even vote for this man feel so compelled to misinform for him on an internet forum where you won't convince anyone of you spin?
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Bollocks wrapped up in a rhetorical question does not become less scrotal and testicular.
 
Now I like a little Hitchens religion bashing as much as the next guy, but this...

Sen. Obama has long known perfectly well, in other words, that he'd one day have to put some daylight between himself and a bigmouth Farrakhan fan. But he felt he needed his South Side Chicago "base" in the meantime. So he coldly decided to double-cross that bridge when he came to it. And now we are all supposed to marvel at the silky success of the maneuver.
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... is the height of magical mind-reading. Sure he wasn't repulsed enough by the whacky rev to get out of Dodge, but it's quite a stretch to claim that he held on to this particular snake-charmer knowing that it was going to blow up in his face one day.
 
hgc said:
... is the height of magical mind-reading. Sure he wasn't repulsed enough by the whacky rev to get out of Dodge, but it's quite a stretch to claim that he held on to this particular snake-charmer knowing that it was going to blow up in his face one day.
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I think you ignored this part of the article, that came just before what you quoted:

But never mind that; the astonishing thing is that it's at least 11 months since he himself has known precisely the same thing. "If Barack gets past the primary," said the Rev. Jeremiah Wright to the New York Times in April of last year, "he might have to publicly distance himself from me. I said it to Barack personally, and he said yeah, that might have to happen."
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Dr Adequate said:
No, that's what he said from the start.

I'm surprised that your obsession with this story hasn't led you to take the slightest interest in it.
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Wrong. The first interview Obama ever gave on this matter was on Olberman's Countdown where he not only said he wasn't in church that day but that he never heard anything like those comments in church or in his private talks with Wright. Here is the video to prove it: http://video.aol.com/video-detail/barack-obama-denies-jeremiah-wright/763572789
 
I don't care for Hitchens all that much. He's a dogmatic crank that I just happen to agree with on a few issues.
 
Dr Adequate said:
Of course, you are unable to quote him saying that, or you would.
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Except that's exactly what Obama says.

And it's worth noting that Obama denies only hearing Wright say these things, he doesn't deny knowing that Wright said these things.

Wright isn't the problem here, Obama's judgement is. Just when he puts Rezko behind him, this issue pops up.

eta: Obama actually does deny knowing the statements were made, this is spin at best (which particular statements?) and a lie at worst.
 
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WildCat said:
Wright isn't the problem here, Obama's judgement is.
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Is it?

If you tally up his good decisions, in order of importance, on one side and his bad decisions, in order of importance, on the other, how do they match up? Where does Wright or even Rezko place in those lists? Where does Iraq?

How bad is his judgment, really, when you aren't just cherry-picking the stinkers?
 
WildCat said:
Except that's exactly what Obama says.

And it's worth noting that Obama denies only hearing Wright say these things, he doesn't deny knowing that Wright said these things.

Wright isn't the problem here, Obama's judgement is. Just when he puts Rezko behind him, this issue pops up.

eta: Obama actually does deny knowing the statements were made, this is spin at best (which particular statements?) and a lie at worst.
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Quotes, I want quotes. And I've asked for them about a zillion times on various different threads. Now I'm wondering if they exist.
 
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