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History Possibly Lost.

shemp said:
I have an invisible letter that Jesus wrote to me! He's going to make me the King of Mars, and give me a mile-high fire-breathing flying pink unicorn! And he says anyone who doesn't believe this is going straight to Hell!
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Really I don't believe in Invisible letters, and my Family is not the Only one who said Lincoln Stopped at Pates Station. In the winter of 1800 and Froze to death.

https://wckyhistory-genealogy.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/William-Pate-Cemetery.pdf
 
The Nails Could Litterally have saved the Lincolns from Freezing to death in the Indiana Cold. Lincolns survived on game, mostly that winter in Indiana as grain has to keep the Oxen and Cow alive.
I also don't believe a Slave is going to give away food in a Year when people including the Masters are starving without asking the Master first.
Since the Weatherbolt's were politicians, that makes me also not believe the 1930s story. Just wish I could find proof, I know New Orleans was Flooded that year but it was in the spring not winter. Just was wondering which story was true.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
The Nails Could Litterally have saved the Lincolns from Freezing to death in the Indiana Cold. Lincolns survived on game, mostly that winter in Indiana as grain has to keep the Oxen and Cow alive.
I also don't believe a Slave is going to give away food in a Year when people including the Masters are starving without asking the Master first.
Since the Weatherbolt's were politicians, that makes me also not believe the 1930s story. Just wish I could find proof, I know New Orleans was Flooded that year but it was in the spring not winter. Just was wondering which story was true.
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Assuming the tale is true I will respond.

The nails were probably pay for services rendered at the end of his stay. They would be for a future home. Was Pate cash short? He was a smithy.
The Pate family saved the poor Lincoln family by giving shelter and food for the duration of a crisis. In exchange for being his servants during said time frame.

Lincoln owning multiple livestock while in need of help is questionable. Maybe a single oxen to pull his second hand and much repaired wagon?
Multiple livestock is as likely as his Caddilac Escalade he couldn't drive as it was too heavy for the ferry raft.

We have no information the Pate family held slaves. We can assume others did in the area or that an unused cabin was available nearby. Thus shelter.

Back to reality...

It's all probable assumptions. The day to day lives of illiterate labor class men were not documented.
Weather in a given area can be traced back to nearly year by year by newspapers or tree rings, whatever survived to be read at least.
Rural areas it's tougher to get said information.

Without authentic documents we have tales. The early life of George Washington or his manservant are equally obscure. And probably as boring. Do we care where they took a dump at 4 years old?
 
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Crazy Chainsaw said:
The Nails Could Litterally have saved the Lincolns from Freezing to death in the Indiana Cold. Lincolns survived on game, mostly that winter in Indiana as grain has to keep the Oxen and Cow alive.
I also don't believe a Slave is going to give away food in a Year when people including the Masters are starving without asking the Master first.
Since the Weatherbolt's were politicians, that makes me also not believe the 1930s story. Just wish I could find proof, I know New Orleans was Flooded that year but it was in the spring not winter. Just was wondering which story was true.
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You realize that cabins weren't usually built with nails right? Most cabins were made by notching logs. Even the roof didn't need nails. The cabins at Valley Forge often had no nails in them. You're fixating on the irrelephant in the room.
 
8enotto said:
Assuming the tale is true I will respond.

The nails were probably pay for services rendered at the end of his stay. They would be for a future home. Was Pate cash short? He was a smithy.
The Pate family saved the poor Lincoln family by giving shelter and food for the duration of a crisis. In exchange for being his servants during said time frame.

Lincoln owning multiple livestock while in need of help is questionable. Maybe a single oxen to pull his second hand and much repaired wagon?
Multiple livestock is as likely as his Caddilac Escalade he couldn't drive as it was too heavy for the ferry raft.

We have no information the Pate family held slaves. We can assume others did in the area or that an unused cabin was available nearby. Thus shelter.

Back to reality...

It's all probable assumptions. The day to day lives of illiterate labor class men were not documented.
Weather in a given area can be traced back to nearly year by year by newspapers or tree rings, whatever survived to be read at least.
Rural areas it's tougher to get said information.

Without authentic documents we have tales. The early life of George Washington or his manservant are equally obscure. And probably as boring. Do we care where they took a dump at 4 years old?
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The Smithy was Abraham not Pate, and Abraham wouldn't have been a Methodist Minister if he was Illiterate. Even though the Name of the Pate Family Slaves are in William Pate's will, and why are we talking about William Pate's slaves?
 
Craig4 said:
You realize that cabins weren't usually built with nails right? Most cabins were made by notching logs. Even the roof didn't need nails. The cabins at Valley Forge often had no nails in them. You're fixating on the irrelephant in the room.
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The Cabins at Valley forge didn't use Timber shingles.

Cabins in early the 1800, usually used oak, or Ceader Shingles nailed in place they had a life of about 20 years.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
The Cabins at Valley forge didn't use Timber shingles.

Cabins in early the 1800, usually used oak, or Ceader Shingles nailed in place they had a life of about 20 years.
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Unless you're poor, have no nails and are going to freeze to death if you don't get a cabin built.
 
Craig4 said:
Unless you're poor, have no nails and are going to freeze to death if you don't get a cabin built.
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But if you have Nails it becomes easier to build a cabin the the forset where you don't have grass sod or thatch for a roof.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
Merely pointing out your fallacy the Lincoln's cabin wasn't built at Valley Forge and the Remains of the Lincoln's cabin showed nails were used.
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Which establishes that Lincoln took a **** at the current location of a mine shaft because of a volcano. Elementary my dear Watson.
 
Craig4 said:
Which establishes that Lincoln took a **** at the current location of a mine shaft because of a volcano. Elementary my dear Watson.
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Youre not going to mention Lincoln being an Ice Zombie? I feel like that's a major plot point.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
Merely pointing out your fallacy the Lincoln's cabin wasn't built at Valley Forge and the Remains of the Lincoln's cabin showed nails were used.
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My take is that nails aren't the major plot point you make them out to be in your narrative. Since people were clearly able to build and roof cabins without nails, when they had to.
 
If the issue was that the wandering impoverished Lincolns were going to freeze to death (or already had some 16 years prior), wouldn't the bigger issues for them be buying land and all the other things needed to build a functional shelter than a box of nails? I mean Ice Zombies could presumably work pretty hard in the freezing temperatures, but there would still seem to be a lot of pricey things in line before a box o' nails.
 
I would guess Thomas Lincoln took a land grant, or just took a plot of unoccupied land in general rather than buying it. Maybe CC can clarify that for us. He is good on family history.

Raw materials sourced off the land would have built a cabin and planks, either split off a log or pit sawn would have made roof structure.
Nails would certainly have been a luxury over wood pegs.

Probable belongings would include ability to fell and process trees into a home plus some form of moving it all long distances as need be. That and Amish style neighbor helping neighbor with tools and skills once you found a place to settle in.
Bob has a saw pit, Thomas had an ox so they could get logs and a saw in one place to make planks. Both got planks and Thomas made his roof. At least plausible.
(Again CC can clarify if need be.) Then no more sleeping in the wagon.

At Pates Station as the good reverend already had slaves he (probably) had spare cabins. Already made so the Lincolns could use one during the winter.

I collect antique tools and sometimes try to build stuff using only them. I have used wood dowels to build pioneer style tables as projects. All human powered tools.
It's a smeg load of extra labor over drywall screws or nails, and I didn't even have to make my dowels too. But I knew how to.
 
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theprestige said:
My take is that nails aren't the major plot point you make them out to be in your narrative. Since people were clearly able to build and roof cabins without nails, when they had to.
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If they had the Materials and skills to do so, Thomas Lincoln was a carpenter and the remains of the Indiana Cabin were excavated prior too 1930, and they were found to have had Nailed shingles of Ceader wood.
I believe the Excavation occured on the 100th University of Lincon's Birthday. If the shingles were nailed, then Thomas had to get the nails somewhere.
Also no the Nails are not the Major point.
 
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