Hillary's 'Reset Button' Gaffe

[BPSCG]

So now we're in the endless loop where people who wouldn't have criticized the Bush administration say, hey look how dumb this is, and people who would have criticized the Bush administration say, no no, nothing to see here, and then the Bush people say, hey, you would have criticized Bush for this, and then the Obama people say, hey, you wouldn't have criticized Bush for this, and then the Bush people ... ?

We need to stop this cycle of violence.

As soon as a Republican administration comes back into power...

 

[WildCat]

BPSCG and Undesired Walrus, why don't you two hit the "reset" button?

 

[rwguinn]

One can also take this as another "slam" at the Bush era: "Ok, for the last 8 years we have ****** up our relationship, now WE are going to make nice"

Is it a Democrat thing not to quit campaigning, even after you've won? Clinton did it, now Obama is doing it.
C'mon guys--you WON! Let's stay home and get to work!

 

[Confuseling]

You'd also assume they spoke Welsh in Swansea.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7702913.stm

Apparently not.

 

[quixotecoyote]

One can also take this as another "slam" at the Bush era: "Ok, for the last 8 years we have ****** up our relationship, now WE are going to make nice"

Is it a Democrat thing not to quit campaigning, even after you've won? Clinton did it, now Obama is doing it.
C'mon guys--you WON! Let's stay home and get to work!

Those silly silly democrats. Good thing you aren't a blatant hypocrite, huh rw?

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/state_of_change/379345
http://www.newser.com/story/42243/2012-campaign-gets-under-way.html
http://www.examiner.com/x-268-Right...indal-visits-Iowa-the-2012-campaign-has-begun
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/20/the-race-for-2012-kicks-off/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/08/romney-2012-campaign-alre_n_149185.html

eta: I guess that doesn't cover 'stay home.' Then again, you can't really do that.

 

[rwguinn]

Those silly silly democrats. Good thing you aren't a blatant hypocrite, huh rw?

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/state_of_change/379345
http://www.newser.com/story/42243/2012-campaign-gets-under-way.html
http://www.examiner.com/x-268-Right...indal-visits-Iowa-the-2012-campaign-has-begun
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/20/the-race-for-2012-kicks-off/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/08/romney-2012-campaign-alre_n_149185.html

eta: I guess that doesn't cover 'stay home.' Then again, you can't really do that.

I'm sorry.
Which one of those links shows someone who won a presidential election in 2008 and is charge of a very large country with an economy in the dumpster?
The question arises--are all Democrats as stupid as they think conservatives are?

 

[Beerina]

Yeah, I saw that.

I don't understand how they could possibly have gotten that wrong. Surely the U.S. government must have a thousand perfect Russian speakers working for them?

Actually probably a hundred thousand or more highly intelligent Russian immigrants working in computer science and electrical engineering -- the exact disciplines that would know all about a reset button and the exact term used in Russian for it.

 

[quixotecoyote]

I'm sorry.
Which one of those links shows someone who won a presidential election in 2008 and is charge of a very large country with an economy in the dumpster?
The question arises--are all Democrats as stupid as they think conservatives are?

Allow me to refresh your memory. You said:

Is it a Democrat thing not to quit campaigning, even after you've won? Clinton did it, now Obama is doing it.
C'mon guys--you WON! Let's stay home and get to work!

This (in case you weren't aware of the words you were typing) is a complaint that democrats were still campaigning and an insinuation that it is a specifically "Democrat thing" to do.

I point out that the Republicans are already rolling on the 2012 elections.

You complain that you were really only complaining that it's bad for "someone who won a presidential election in 2008 and is charge of a very large country with an economy in the dumpster" to continue campaigning.

********.

 

[joobz]

It's a stupidly foolish thing to have happen. It was bit of trivial symbolic nonsense to start with anyway.

Color me unhappy.

 

[rwguinn]

Allow me to refresh your memory. You said:



This (in case you weren't aware of the words you were typing) is a complaint that democrats were still campaigning and an insinuation that it is a specifically "Democrat thing" to do.

I point out that the Republicans are already rolling on the 2012 elections.

You complain that you were really only complaining that it's bad for "someone who won a presidential election in 2008 and is charge of a very large country with an economy in the dumpster" to continue campaigning.

********.

Is readinc comprehension a liberal lack
you missed the quote
"Is it a Democrat thing not to quit campaigning, even after you've won? Clinton did it, now Obama is doing it.
C'mon guys--you WON! Let's stay home and get to work! "
You are not going into an election nex week, or even in the next year! We were convinced--you WON! now, do what you said.
Fer crying out loud. Let the losers start campaigning. YOU WON, Dammit! now do the ****ing job you wanted so badly, rather than keep trying to convince us how great you are. YOU WON!

 

[quixotecoyote]

Is readinc comprehension a liberal lack
you missed the quote

If conservative spelling and grammar look like that, who could blame us?

"Is it a Democrat thing not to quit campaigning, even after you've won? Clinton did it, now Obama is doing it.
C'mon guys--you WON! Let's stay home and get to work! "
You are not going into an election nex week, or even in the next year! We were convinced--you WON! now, do what you said.
Fer crying out loud. Let the losers start campaigning. YOU WON, Dammit! now do the ****ing job you wanted so badly, rather than keep trying to convince us how great you are. YOU WON!

Yes, I'm aware you're complaining about winners campaigning for the next election, even though not doing so would put them at a disadvantage when the losing party continues campaigning. I explicitly acknowledged that here:

You complain that you were really only complaining that it's bad for "someone who won a presidential election in 2008 and is charge of a very large country with an economy in the dumpster" to continue campaigning.

The party you support lost and is trying to ramp up to win next time, and you're fine with that. The party you oppose won and is also trying to win the next election, and you claim that is somehow wrong.

It's a ******** distinction.

 

[rwguinn]

If conservative spelling and grammar look like that, who could blame us?



Yes, I'm aware you're complaining about winners campaigning for the next election, even though not doing so would put them at a disadvantage when the losing party continues campaigning. I explicitly acknowledged that here:



The party you support lost and is trying to ramp up to win next time, and you're fine with that. The party you oppose won and is also trying to win the next election, and you claim that is somehow wrong.

It's a ******** distinction.

The application for the Million is That-a-way.
Look, you can personalise and insult me all you want. But you had damn well better provide the quote where I approve of the republicans campaigning for 2012.
and "Let the losers start campaigning" is not an endorsement.
Welcome (Back) to ignore.

 

[quixotecoyote]

The application for the Million is That-a-way.
Look, you can personalise and insult me all you want.

I apologize for calling you a hypocrite rather than calling your argument hypocritical. Beyond that, don't complain when your barbs get returned.

But you had damn well better provide the quote where I approve of the republicans campaigning for 2012.

Is it a Democrat thing not to quit campaigning, even after you've won?

Both parties are campaigning.

You only complain about the democrats.

You imply that it is a problem specific to the democrats.

You specify that it's bad because they won.

The republicans lost; meaning they didn't win; meaning your disapproval doesn't apply.

There is no way to avoid saying that argument "approve of the republicans campaigning" without significant weaseling.

and "Let the losers start campaigning" is not an endorsement.
Welcome (Back) to ignore.

I see you are a devotee of Cranial Sacral Massage Therapy.

 

[BPSCG]

Color me confused.

I never got the business about the "perpetual campaign."

In a democracy, isn't it expected that people are always going to be saying, "Our ideas are right, and here's why; the other guys' ideas are wrong, and here's why"?

What in FSM's name is wrong with that? I thought a democracy is supposed to be a marketplace of ideas, where people choose the ones they like and reject the ones they don't.

Call that a perpetual campaign, if you like; while acknowledging that this little foofraw about Clinton's "reset" button is trivial, I don't see where the boundary gets drawn between (good) free exchange of ideas and (bad) perpetual campaigning.

Or is the "perpetual campaign" something else that I somehow don't get?

 

[Texas]

To me the gaff is giving the Russians a gift they already have.

 

[Whiplash]

I think there is a big difference between "perpetual campaigning" and "campaigning vs governing".

The Democrats don't behave like they just won, and then proceed to govern. They seem to still be in full campaign mode, complaining about the right daily, even though they are nullified. They can't get over it. They won and they can't get over it. It seems they are determined to utterly destroy the right. And also to use these ongoing complaints about the right as excuses for why they aren't going to achieve what they said they would.

The left needs to take their own advice and "moveon" and get some things accomplished, rather than constantly complaining about Limbaugh and Hannity, and constantly making excuses for themselves by blaming the right. If they made promises that they thought they could keep, but somehow now feel that they cannot keep them, then they were pretty incompetent. I suggest it was more malicious. They knew they couldn't do half the stuff they said. But it all rang good with people and got them votes. Now they can just complain that they can't do anything because of the evil right and all the damage they did. And sadly, it continues to ring true with many people who aren't really about solving anything. They just are about standing against conventional wisdom and traditions, and authority.

 

[linusrichard]

I think there is a big difference between "perpetual campaigning" and "campaigning vs governing".

The Democrats don't behave like they just won, and then proceed to govern. They seem to still be in full campaign mode, complaining about the right daily, even though they are nullified. They can't get over it. They won and they can't get over it. It seems they are determined to utterly destroy the right. And also to use these ongoing complaints about the right as excuses for why they aren't going to achieve what they said they would.

That's the exact opposite of, let's say, the passage of the stimulus bill. They did not use the GOP as an excuse not to pass it. Obama met with the GOP, and then the bill got passed without GOP support. As I say, that's about the opposite of the picture you're painting.

The left needs to take their own advice and "moveon" and get some things accomplished, rather than constantly complaining about Limbaugh and Hannity, and constantly making excuses for themselves by blaming the right. If they made promises that they thought they could keep, but somehow now feel that they cannot keep them, then they were pretty incompetent. I suggest it was more malicious. They knew they couldn't do half the stuff they said. But it all rang good with people and got them votes. Now they can just complain that they can't do anything because of the evil right and all the damage they did. And sadly, it continues to ring true with many people who aren't really about solving anything.

Huh? They are doing things. Passing legislation, signing executive orders, holding press conferences, all this kind of stuff. Check out this page - over 500 Obama promises, and just under 15% have some kind of action. It's not all positive action - 2 are marked as "broken" and 3 are "stalled" - but 18 are "kept" and 7 are "compromise" - that doesn't sound like somebody who isn't doing anything and is stuck in blaming the right. For somebody who's been president seven weeks, I think that's pretty good. Now, you don't have to like what he's doing, but that's a completely different discussion from the discussion of whether he's doing anything.

They just are about standing against conventional wisdom and traditions, and authority.

This is plain silly. Why would the President of the United States stand against authority? Why would the party that received the support of a majority of voters stand against conventional wisdom? And what traditions are you talking about, anyway?

I don't know where this narrative comes from, but it's not from any reality I'm familiar with.

 

[Vorticity]

Actually probably a hundred thousand or more highly intelligent Russian immigrants working in computer science and electrical engineering -- the exact disciplines that would know all about a reset button and the exact term used in Russian for it.

Damn, you're right. Off the top of my head I can think of at least three people I know personally here at the national lab I work at that fit that description perfectly.

 

[webfusion]

She just brought along the wrong button.

 

[rwguinn]

She just brought along the wrong button.

http://www.kenpardue.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/easy.jpg

I figure that they are setting the stage for the Frisch defense:

Frankie Frisch, the playing manager of the St. Louis Cardinals, once pulled his right fielder out of a game because he had misplayed two fly balls. "I'm going to show you how to play out there," said Frisch, running out to the outfield. The first ball was a fly hit right at him and he dropped it. "That guy," said Frisch back in the dugout, "has screwed up right field so bad that no one can play it."