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Hillary vs Bernie

Hercules56

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Here we shall discuss the differences between Hillary and Bernie, in a polite, mature and professional way.

Here we go:

Hillary is a much better candidate than Bernie. Why? Cause Bernie co-sponsored 355 bills in Congress over 24 years, only 1 passed the House. Hillary co-sponsored 417 bills over 8 years in the Senate, 20 passed.

Bernie voted against the Brady gun control bill and voted against Comprehensive Immigration Reform in 2007.

Bernie flip-flops on military action, by voting against the Gulf War but voting for military action in Serbia, Libya and Somalia.

Bernie has criticized Hillary for minor connections to private prison groups, meanwhile he can't get Vermont to stop shipping their convicts to private prisons.

He voted against a national Amber Alert system, cause he says he opposed minimum sentencing laws, yet he supports them for child molesters.

He voted to send nuclear waste from Vermont to a poor Hispanic community in Texas.

He voted to maintain the crippling sanctions against Iraq, as hundreds of thousands of children were dieing.

He even urged Obama to issue an Executive Order raising taxes, in violation of the Constitution.

Now Bernie wants to repeal the ACA/Obamacare and replace it with Medicare for all, and make all public colleges free.

How will he get the Republicans and Moderate Democrats to approve all this? Bernie's supporters say they will get a Democratic Socialist majority in the House & Senate. Talk about wishful thinking!!!

Look, I admire Bernie's passion and values, but his 24 year track record is big on ideology but very low on productivity. We need a President who can actually work with everyone to get things done, not just bark at the opposition with unachievable goals.

His debate performances speak for themselves. He's like an old broken record, unable & unwilling to adapt to new situations and events.

He declares climate change is our nation's greatest security threat, not ISIS or Al Qaeda.

He thinks $100 billion a year for 10 years will rebuild the middle class. Even though unemployment is at 5%, so its not like we're facing any major economic crisis.

He wants to reinstate Glass-Stegall, even though it was slowly taken apart over decades by court cases and legislation. Many argue that Glass-Stegall today would not stop many financial shenanigans that could get us into more trouble. It appears to be just a good anti-Wall St. catch phrase.

And to show us what he's made of, he's on of only a handful of Senators who voted against the recent compromise budget between the GOP and Democrats. Again he shows he is more about ideology than actually getting things done.

Hillary may not be perfect, she may have her drawbacks and disadvantages, but at least she has a track record of willingness to compromise and and work across the isle to try to make things happen.

Sorry Bernie, but extreme ideology only works on the campaign trail. It doesn't do us **** after Election Day. In fact, it hurts us.
 
Bernie flip-flops on military action, by voting against the Gulf War but voting for military action in Serbia, Libya and Somalia.

You do realise that it is possible to be against one military action but for another ?

Rather than being automatically pro or con military action, a sensible person considers the objectives of military action, the scale, cost and likelihood of success and the justification for military action.

I was against the Iraq war because I though (correctly as it turned out) that the case for a direct WMD threat to the U.K. in a 45 minute time window hadn't been made, that to may British lives would be lost for no good reason and because I thought that Iraq would be a mess afterwards.

OTOH I was in favour of military action in support of the Libyan uprising. I thought that the action was of the right scale, would be effective and that we would have learned our lessons regarding nation building from Iraq - boy was I wrong. :o

It's not flip-flopping to consider each call for military action on its merits instead of, like so many GOP candidates, always advocating sending the troops in.
 
You do realise that it is possible to be against one military action but for another ?

Rather than being automatically pro or con military action, a sensible person considers the objectives of military action, the scale, cost and likelihood of success and the justification for military action.

I was against the Iraq war because I though (correctly as it turned out) that the case for a direct WMD threat to the U.K. in a 45 minute time window hadn't been made, that to may British lives would be lost for no good reason and because I thought that Iraq would be a mess afterwards.

OTOH I was in favour of military action in support of the Libyan uprising. I thought that the action was of the right scale, would be effective and that we would have learned our lessons regarding nation building from Iraq - boy was I wrong. :o

It's not flip-flopping to consider each call for military action on its merits instead of, like so many GOP candidates, always advocating sending the troops in.
Excellent post per usual.

When people call Hillary a war criminal, is it due to Libya? Right or wrong, I've opposed almost every US military action during my lifetime. Libya was a rare exception. The country was falling apart regardless of intervention, there was broad consensus, Arab Spring offered so much promise, etc. I have the distinct sense this was one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't situations.
 
Folks claim Hillary is a "War Monger", but they ignore Bernie's support for America's military action in Serbia, Somalia, Libya and against ISIS.

Talk about hypocrisy.
 
I think the most significant difference between Hillary and Bernie is that Hillary could beat Trump, but Bernie might not.
 
I think the most significant difference between Hillary and Bernie is that Hillary could beat Trump, but Bernie might not.

Trump would actualy defeat Bernie in a debate.

Why? Because Trump would only need to focus on Bernie's Communist associations and beliefs, and Bernie would likely get very angry and flustered.
 
Trump would actualy defeat Bernie in a debate.

Why? Because Trump would only need to focus on Bernie's Communist associations and beliefs, and Bernie would likely get very angry and flustered.

Communism != Socialism
 
Folks claim Hillary is a "War Monger", but they ignore Bernie's support for America's military action in Serbia, Somalia, Libya and against ISIS.

Talk about hypocrisy.

I think call her a war monger not because of Bernice's support for those things but rather because of Hillary's vote in favor of the Iraq war and thirst for regime change.

What you just did was use a logical fallacy known as a tu quoque, which was silly because all it really does is highlight the fact that Hillary is, you know, a war monger.
 
I think call her a war monger not because of Bernice's support for those things but rather because of Hillary's vote in favor of the Iraq war and thirst for regime change.

What you just did was use a logical fallacy known as a tu quoque, which was silly because all it really does is highlight the fact that Hillary is, you know, a war monger.

So Hillary is a war monger but Bernie is not?

How so?
 
So Hillary is a war monger but Bernie is not?

How so?

We have something we call the rule of so here, which is where a post starts with so and follows up, like your post does here, with a straw man.

But let's not kid ourselves, Hillary basically a major leaguer when it comes to war, Bernie is decidedly minor league.
 

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