Hillary Clinton just won't quit!

ravdin said:
Hillary Clinton just "loaned" herself $6.4 million to stay in the race, even though there's no mathematical way she can win.
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By staying in, Hillary will force a resolution to the disenfranchisement of the Florida and Michigan voters, but Obama doesn't want those votes to count any more than Al Gore wanted to count military votes in 2000. I hope this comedy gold goes on until the convention.
 
In terms of pledged delegates (PDs), the contest isn't over yet. According to Slate there are 220 PDs up for grabs in the last 6 primaries. And according to RCP, Obama is ahead by 166 PDs after IN and NC. To pull even with Obama, Clinton would have to get 193 of the remaining PDs, or about 88 percent of them. It seems highly unlikely, but still mathematically possible.
 
kallsop said:
By staying in, Hillary will force a resolution to the disenfranchisement of the Florida and Michigan voters, but Obama doesn't want those votes to count any more than Al Gore wanted to count military votes in 2000. I hope this comedy gold goes on until the convention.
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It's quickly getting to the point where those delegates won't matter to the outcome. Both Hillary and Barack agreed to the party's ruling regarding this. Hillary didn't want those votes to count at the time as well ... that is until she began to realize she was about to lose. However, it will do the party good to seat those delegates. But, it should be done in a way that they don't affect who the nominee is either way.
 
Tokorona said:
She's promised to continue on. At this point, it's just...
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It wouldn't surprise me if the two campaigns aren't working together to find a graceful way for Clinton to bow out. If she can go out championing voters in Michigan and Florida, then that's not a bad thing for Obama. I even suspect Obama will offer to help settle Clinton's campaign debt.
 
Don't you silly people understand? It's Hillary's birthright! IT'S HER TURN DAMMIT!

No but seriously only the Democrats could manage to completely blow an un-loseable election year.
 
dudalb said:
Agreed. The fact is Obama is looking like a much weaker candidate come November then he did a couple of months ago (except for the True Believers)
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... and all these superdelegates who keep supporting Obama. You know, the superdelegates? They guys who actually have the power to give the nomination to Hillary?

Or maybe they are also "True Believers", blinded by Obama rethorical abilities?
 
Demigorgon said:
Don't you silly people understand? It's Hillary's birthright! IT'S HER TURN DAMMIT!

No but seriously only the Democrats could manage to completely blow an un-loseable election year.
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I don't belong to an organized political party. I'm a Democrat. ~~Will Rogers~~
 
Demigorgon said:
Don't you silly people understand? It's Hillary's birthright! IT'S HER TURN DAMMIT!

No but seriously only the Democrats could manage to completely blow an un-loseable election year.
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The Republicans were lucky they didn't go through this very same thing. It actually seems to be having more of a positive effect too. There has been a significant increase in the number of Democrats registered to vote over the past number of months. Obama's standing in the polls versus McCain haven't really suffered either. The real fun times will begin soon.
 
mortimer said:
I think she's just hoping against hope that a huge Obama scandal will surface before the convention so she can pick up most of the superdelegates. It's really her only hope.
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I agree, this is what she is probably thinking. She could suspend her campaign and see what happens but I think she needs to step aside in the meantime.
 
chipmunk stew said:
I was thinking the Black Knight.
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Well I am a rock ribbed Republican but I think she is probably the toughest woman since Maggie Thatcher and I would have a real battle with myself not to vote for her if she somehow wins the primary. Senator McCain is an honorable conservative Republican but I fear for his health and his ability to be an effective president. She has impressed the hell out of me in this primary campaign.
 
Now that is it eminently clear that Hillary will not be making a swift withdrawal, I believe the motive in continuing down the path of failure is little more than not wanting to let down her supporters. Too much sweat and money has been expended for her to throw in the towel when there is even the slightest hope of a reversal in fortune. I'd like as much as anyone else for this thing to be over, but I wish my fellow Obama supporters could understand why Hillary has continued and likely will continue to the bitter end. Nevertheless I do believe she has started clearing a path to exit without total disgrace and hatred from all.
 
ZenFountain said:
Now that is it eminently clear that Hillary will not be making a swift withdrawal, I believe the motive in continuing down the path of failure is little more than not wanting to let down her supporters. Too much sweat and money has been expended for her to throw in the towel when there is even the slightest hope of a reversal in fortune. I'd like as much as anyone else for this thing to be over, but I wish my fellow Obama supporters could understand why Hillary has continued and likely will continue to the bitter end. Nevertheless I do believe she has started clearing a path to exit without total disgrace and hatred from all.
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Sounds about right. I don't mind her staying in if she can stay positive. True, he will have to spend more time out on the road stumping and spend more money in the remaining states but that's just the way the cookie crumbles. The party had a hard time deciding. I also don't think there's any dividend for either of them to go negative against each other from now on. I just hope they both recognize that.
 
Using the CNN Delegate counter, here,

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/delegate.counter/index.html

I gave Hillary wins in ALL SIX REMAINING states, by 81% to 19% tallies....

and she still comes up 22 Delegates short in Pledged Delegates.

So while, YES, it is mathematically possible for her to win enough pledged delegates to take over the lead, it is for all SANE PURPOSES impossible.

TAM:)
 
ZenFountain said:
Now that is it eminently clear that Hillary will not be making a swift withdrawal, I believe the motive in continuing down the path of failure is little more than not wanting to let down her supporters. Too much sweat and money has been expended for her to throw in the towel when there is even the slightest hope of a reversal in fortune. I'd like as much as anyone else for this thing to be over, but I wish my fellow Obama supporters could understand why Hillary has continued and likely will continue to the bitter end. Nevertheless I do believe she has started clearing a path to exit without total disgrace and hatred from all.
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I think if she continues beyond June 3rd, then it is clearly to damage Obama, so he will lose in November, and so she can run essentially unopposed in 2012.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
I think if she continues beyond June 3rd, then it is clearly to damage Obama, so he will lose in November, and so she can run essentially unopposed in 2012.

TAM:)
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I know it's been discussed to death but she must be trying to force Obama's hand into offering her the VP slot. I admit to previously seriously doubting she would accept that offer, or that Obama would even consider it, but what else could it be?

Nevertheless, Obama has already started acting as if he has the nomination and seems to be focusing on McCain now -- which he needs to do sooner rather than later.
 
Rob Lister said:
I know it's been discussed to death but she must be trying to force Obama's hand into offering her the VP slot. I admit to previously seriously doubting she would accept that offer, or that Obama would even consider it, but what else could it be?

Nevertheless, Obama has already started acting as if he has the nomination and seems to be focusing on McCain now -- which he needs to do sooner rather than later.
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I think it actually may go a little deeper than wanting the VP spot. She's the first serious Presidential candidate to be a woman. She doesn't want to appear to be steamrolled out of this race. She's got a strong core group of women supporters that are looking to her to make set the precedent for future campaigns by women. Hillary isn't going to let herself be taken for granted for that reason alone. I watched Obama's interviews last night, and saw how he was very careful when speaking of her continuing campaign. Smart guy.

This will run through June 3. She will then make a graceful exit, but will leave no doubt that a woman can run strong until the very end. Obama seems to be smart enough not to marginalize her as well. It'll be a good sparring match, but you won't see Hillary play dirty or hurt Obama. In the meantime, more and more voters are registering as Democrats in States that could come into play this November for the Democrats. It's really hard to see the harm.

As I posted a week or two ago, Hillary is a smart politician and isn't going to do anything to hurt her legacy in the Democratic Party. She'll gracefully concede on her own terms though, not Obama's or the media's.
 
timhau said:
Essentially unopposed? Wouldn't there be significant opposition to Hillary in 2012 if it's commonly thought that she cost the Dems the presidency in 2008?
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She'll become the Jimmy Carter (at least during the 80's) of the Democratic Party if she ends up being perceived as costing the Dems the election. I think she is much smarter than that.
 
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