Hillary Clinton is Done

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Bob001 said:
Barring some unforeseen catastrophe, it looks like Hillary will be the Democratic nominee. Who would be her strongest VP pick? I'm assuming a younger man with a well-established political record from a non-Eastern state. I'm thinking sens. Ron Wyden, Mark Warner and Al Franken (both a serious legislator and a media-savvy entertainer), and Colorado governor John Hickenlooper.
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If I were her, I'd go with Bernie. Or maybe Bruce Springsteen (he was 'Born to Run' :))
 
I predict Bill Richardson will be her pick, unless there are lingering bad vibes from his endorsement of Obama in 2008.
 
She's in a good position for a VP pick. Since she's got the election locked in, she doesn't have to choose someone for vote fodder. She can pick someone actually useful.
 
Denver said:
She's in a good position for a VP pick. Since she's got the election locked in, she doesn't have to choose someone for vote fodder. She can pick someone actually useful.
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Which also means that her choice can only be neutral or hurt her. There's nobody that gets her more votes.
 
Denver said:
She's in a good position for a VP pick. Since she's got the election locked in, she doesn't have to choose someone for vote fodder. She can pick someone actually useful.
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Lolz, that is what they said in 2007. She is older and even more tainted. On the other hand the democrat candidates are very weak.
 
Denver said:
She's in a good position for a VP pick. Since she's got the election locked in, she doesn't have to choose someone for vote fodder. She can pick someone actually useful.
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She's probably got the nomination locked up. It's way too early to predict the outcome of the election, especially if the Republicans come to their senses.
 
logger said:
This article is why these two should never get into the White House. Even Foolmewunz should be able to understand this.

These women all worked for the democrat party, they're all democrats.

I know its the dreaded Breitbart, but you'll survive it.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presi...s-why-bills-bimbos-fear-a-hillary-presidency/
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The thing is that this stuff has been well-known since the Clinton presidency and is already taken into account in assessments of the Clintons. You might recall that Hillary was on "60 Minutes" in 1992 defending him aggressively against the "bimbo eruptions." (As an aside, it's always been amazing to me that so many women are eager to blame the victims in cases like this. They are often as willing as men, maybe more so, to say the victim is lying or she deserved it or something else.) Unless someone comes forward with new Cosby-like allegations that can be proven absolutely, this stuff will just bounce off.
 
Bob001 said:
The thing is that this stuff has been well-known since the Clinton presidency and is already taken into account in assessments of the Clintons. You might recall that Hillary was on "60 Minutes" in 1992 defending him aggressively against the "bimbo eruptions." (As an aside, it's always been amazing to me that so many women are eager to blame the victims in cases like this. They are often as willing as men, maybe more so, to say the victim is lying or she deserved it or something else.) Unless someone comes forward with new Cosby-like allegations that can be proven absolutely, this stuff will just bounce off.
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Possibly, but a whole different generation will be brought up to speed on what these two have done to others.
 
DavidJames said:
...Ultimately, I think HRC has a better shot then Sanders not because she will get more votes then Bernie would, but because the Republican fear and attack machine is fully deployed against HRC while Bernie is not even on their radar. Socialism isn't the bogey man among the left, but to the center and right it's kryptonite. Motivating the Republican base will be easier with Bernie...
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Got any supporting evidence for this? From what I can see, the people you are describing are the fringe right voters. Center right pretty much feel that all Democratic candidates and voters are socialist (including Obama, and Hillary and even Jim Webb) and give credit to Sanders for admitting he is socialist. Moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats tend to be split about the term, and I know many who support his anti-plutocracy and middle class boosting stances.

Looking at polled percentages:

59% of self-identified Democratic supporters would vote for a Socialist
50% of self-identified Independent supporters would vote for a Socialist
and
26% of self-identified Republican supporters would vote for a Socialist.

Personally, I think 60% of the Democratic voters and half the independent voters would be enough to win a general election. And as every Clinton supporter I have spoken to has said they would support Sanders if he won the Dem. nomination, I think these numbers would underestimate both the Democratic and Independent voters. And this does not even get into the new voters that Sanders is bringing into the process.

At each of the Rally's I have been to so far, at least half of those present claim that this is either the very first political rally they have ever been to, or it is the first one they have been to in over 20 years. This is a lot of people engaging in politics that haven't put much thought into such issues ever, or in a long time.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
:rolleyes:

Just to review:



Even more ironic,

So a skilled politician that you claim is not that different from the GOP won't get anything done because there are Hillary haters?
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Just to review:

You still haven't answered the very part you quoted so :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: it up all you want.

Pretending you answered my question and then projecting feelings and actions onto me doesn't address my question either.

I never claimed Clinton is no different from the GOP.

You can go play with the straw on your own. I'm done responding to you.
 
logger said:
BS (Bernie Sanders) :)
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I don't think this would get her many if any new votes. The Sanders supporters that would support her if Bernie doesn't win the nomination would already support her, and I don't see making him her veep would win over any that would not support her if she wins the Dem nomination. I could be wrong, but most of the people I know who have said that they would not vote for HRC if she wins the Dem nomination wouldn't change their mind if she got Bernie to join her on the ticket. It isn't about the candidates, its about the policies of the next administration. If you don't agree with or support HRC's policies having Bernie as a Veep isn't going to persuade you to support her policies.
 
logger said:
Possibly, but a whole different generation will be brought up to speed on what these two have done to others.
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No they won't. The younger generation doesn't even care if men marry each other, you think they're going to get worked up about marital infidelity? You think they're going to even bother to try to understand the insane logic of the Whitewater investigation? Or honestly believe any nutty theory about Vince Foster?

The under 30's voted for Obama over Romney 62% to 38%. Once again, there's just not enough people there who could be swayed by the fact that the Presidential candidate's husband once lied in a civil suit that was eventually settled.
 
Trakar said:
At each of the Rally's I have been to so far, at least half of those present claim that this is either the very first political rally they have ever been to, or it is the first one they have been to in over 20 years. This is a lot of people engaging in politics that haven't put much thought into such issues ever, or in a long time.
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"Bob" bless you, Trakar. I've said it here many years ago, and many times, but will say it again: the future of this planet is at the hands of the American people.

And now we are at the point where the pendulum is standing above all of our heads, waiting. Go for nothing but excellency. Thanks.
 
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Trakar said:
Got any supporting evidence for this? From what I can see, the people you are describing are the fringe right voters. Center right pretty much feel that all Democratic candidates and voters are socialist (including Obama, and Hillary and even Jim Webb) and give credit to Sanders for admitting he is socialist. Moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats tend to be split about the term, and I know many who support his anti-plutocracy and middle class boosting stances.

Looking at polled percentages:

59% of self-identified Democratic supporters would vote for a Socialist
50% of self-identified Independent supporters would vote for a Socialist
and
26% of self-identified Republican supporters would vote for a Socialist.

Personally, I think 60% of the Democratic voters and half the independent voters would be enough to win a general election. And as every Clinton supporter I have spoken to has said they would support Sanders if he won the Dem. nomination, I think these numbers would underestimate both the Democratic and Independent voters. And this does not even get into the new voters that Sanders is bringing into the process.

At each of the Rally's I have been to so far, at least half of those present claim that this is either the very first political rally they have ever been to, or it is the first one they have been to in over 20 years. This is a lot of people engaging in politics that haven't put much thought into such issues ever, or in a long time.
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Do you have a support that 26% of Republicans would vote for a socialist. On the surface that's the most bizarre statistic I've seen in quite some time. 6% of Republicans voted for Obama in 2012, 9% in 2008. 6% voted for Kerry.

Sorry, that poll is on drugs. Well, maybe if the Republican candidate was a socialist :D

Edit - I stopped going back at 1992. No Democrat has received more then 13% from Republicans.


But yeah, 25% will vote for Sanders.
 
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16.5 said:
Lolz, that is what they said in 2007. She is older and even more tainted. On the other hand the democrat candidates are very weak.
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Hey 16.5, I know it's a lot to ask, but there are some of us who feel that anyone who is either too stupid, ignorant, transparently bigoted or lazy to write the correct name of a political party is not worth bothering with. There is no democrat party in this country. Two little letters. Man up and use them.
 
bruto said:
Hey 16.5, I know it's a lot to ask, but there are some of us who feel that anyone who is either too stupid, ignorant, transparently bigoted or lazy to write the correct name of a political party is not worth bothering with. There is no democrat party in this country. Two little letters. Man up and use them.
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:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

I wish the newscasters would call the GOP talking heads on this grammar error that they consciously make.
 
DavidJames said:
Sorry, that poll is on drugs. Well, maybe if the Republican candidate was a socialist :D
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You are exchanging words with a very progressive Republican.

DavidJames said:
Edit - I stopped going back at 1992. No Democrat has received more then 13% from Republicans.


But yeah, 25% will vote for Sanders.
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Since '92, the Democratic party has only put forth Conservative-lite candidates. Why would conservative Republicans vote for the conservative-lite candidates when they had actual conservatives to choose from?

This poll didn't put Sanders on the poll, it simply assesses a generic Socialist.

Depending upon who the Republicans run, I would expect the number to vary based more on the overall popularity of the Republican opponent. It would not at all surprise me to see Sanders draw 10+% Republican votes in the general there are actually a lot of crossover policy commonalities between Sanders' income inequality and social justice programs and some populist Republican programs.

Among many moderate Republicans social progressivism is a common trait, so again, depending upon the Republican candidate that might be another area susceptible to progressive poaching (unless your last name is Clinton).

Why Surprising Numbers of Republicans Vote for Bernie Sanders
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/08/19/why-surprising-numbers-0republicans-vote-bernie-sanders
And as NPR's "Morning Edition" found out last year, some of Bernie's biggest fans are in Vermont's Northeast Kingdom, the poorest and most conservative part of the state.

It's people from the Northeast Kingdom who've overwhelmingly elected Bernie to almost 20 years in Congress and two straight terms as senator, and it's people like them in the rest of the country who will probably send Bernie to the White House if he gets the Democratic nomination for president.

So why is that?

Why is Bernie Sanders, a socialist, so popular with people who should hate "socialism?"

The answer is pretty simple.

While Americans disagree on social issues like gay marriage and abortion, they're actually pretty unified on the bread and butter economic issues that Bernie has made the core of his campaign.

In fact, a recent poll by the Progressive Change Institute, shows that Americans overwhelmingly agree with Bernie on key issues like education, health care and the economy.

Like Bernie, 75 percent of Americans poll support fair trade that "protects workers, the environment and jobs."

Seventy-one percent support giving all students access to a debt-free college education.

Seventy-one percent support a massive infrastructure spending program aimed at rebuilding our broken roads and bridges, and putting people back to work.

Seventy percent support expanding Social Security.

Fifty-nine percent support raising taxes on the wealthy so that millionaires pay the same amount in taxes as they did during the Reagan administration.

Fifty-eight percent support breaking up the big banks.

Fifty-five percent support a financial transaction or Robin Hood tax.

Fifty-one percent support single payer health care, and so and so on.

Pretty impressive, right?

And here's the thing - supporting Social Security, free college, breaking up the big banks, aren't "progressive" policies, they're just common sense, and 60 years ago they would have put Bernie Sanders smack dab in the mainstream of my father's Republican Party.
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Sounds like the Republicans I grew up around.
 
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