Hillary Clinton is Done

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NoahFence said:
So now that Benghazi-Gate and Email-Gate are dead in the water
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Let's avoid wild swings between wanting to jail Clinton for treason on Benghazi/classified info and absolutely nothing being wrong... I'm getting whiplash.

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16.5 said:
wow, that is one hell of a lot of spin for why Hillary failed the bar.
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I'm not sure how many people who post here have taken a bar exam. So, I tried to provide some context. Or, as you put it: spin.

I won't vote for Hillary in the primaries, but it won't be because she failed a bar exam. If this is what drives you to vote for Bernie, I support you. :)
 
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sunmaster14 said:
All true, but it was mission critical for her to pass the DC bar eventually, and failing was no doubt a bitter disappointment that drove her into the arms of Bill. All of history could have been changed if she had passed that exam. For example, there wouldn't have been any investment in Whitewater, and subsequently no investigation by a special prosecutor, and therefore no uncovering of Bill Clinton's perjury in the Paula Jones suit, no impeachment, and therefore no baggage preventing Al Gore from winning in 2000, and therefore no global warming. So, really, the fate of the world turned on whether or not she passed that damned exam. We're all going to cook like eggs on a Phoenix sidewalk in August thanks to her inability to pass an exam that over 50% of people pass the first time, not to mention graduates of the most prestigious and selective law school in the country. Thanks Hillary!
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Wow, your talents are wasted here. Throw in a T-rex and Dame Judi Dench and this is nom worthy. Seriously, I mean that as a compliment.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
Let's avoid wild swings between wanting to jail Clinton for treason on Benghazi/classified info and absolutely nothing being wrong... I'm getting whiplash.

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I didn't say there was nothing wrong. I said that they're dead in the water. As rational topics of discussion AND as what they really are - partisan hack witch hunts.

Either way, they're DOA.
 
NoahFence said:
I didn't say there was nothing wrong. I said that they're dead in the water. As rational topics of discussion AND as what they really are - partisan hack witch hunts.

Either way, they're DOA.
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And ignore any Republican leaders that accidentally say that these are all about bringing Hillary down.
 
sunmaster14 said:
All true, but it was mission critical for her to pass the DC bar eventually, and failing was no doubt a bitter disappointment that drove her into the arms of Bill. All of history could have been changed if she had passed that exam. For example, there wouldn't have been any investment in Whitewater, and subsequently no investigation by a special prosecutor, and therefore no uncovering of Bill Clinton's perjury in the Paula Jones suit, no impeachment, and therefore no baggage preventing Al Gore from winning in 2000, and therefore no global warming. So, really, the fate of the world turned on whether or not she passed that damned exam. We're all going to cook like eggs on a Phoenix sidewalk in August thanks to her inability to pass an exam that over 50% of people pass the first time, not to mention graduates of the most prestigious and selective law school in the country. Thanks Hillary!
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Here's a thought that should chill your paleo-conservative heart. You know who the last president who failed a bar on his first attempt was?

Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

History repeats itself? 'Fraid so. All sorts of evil socialist programs, securing the liberal tilt of the Supreme Court for another several decades. Y'all ought to start checking out some bottom land in Montana and stocking up on tinned food.
 
Much as Bernie is right in his cause, I said before that the world crisis makes it a bad time to play with idealism. We need a President now more than ever that has expertise in the current world conflicts.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Much as Bernie is right in his cause, I said before that the world crisis makes it a bad time to play with idealism. We need a President now more than ever that has expertise in the current world conflicts.
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I think you mean CAUSING the current world conflicts

Fixed that for you!
 
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NoahFence said:
I didn't say there was nothing wrong. I said that they're dead in the water. As rational topics of discussion AND as what they really are - partisan hack witch hunts.

Either way, they're DOA.
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Benghazi is DOA because Republicans made it into a political grandstand. The email issue is "DOA" because nobody really cares about the more mundane problems with employees or leaders breaking protocol.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Much as Bernie is right in his cause, I said before that the world crisis makes it a bad time to play with idealism. We need a President now more than ever that has expertise in the current world conflicts.
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BenBurch said:
Most BS reason to vote for a President I ever heard.
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The cheapest, most certain way to deal with most of the world's current, and looming future problems is to begin focusing upon addressing the triplet heads of anthropogenic climate change, income inequality, and institutional injustice. Which to me translate into electing a whole lot of people with views of governance and society that closely resemble the views held by people like Senators Sanders and Warren. So while we can debate about how best to address these problems or who is best able and positioned to address these problems, the solution of electing as many people as we can who share the goal of facing and addressing these issues seems like a valid process to me.

My primary problem with Hillary is that I don't see this focus in her agenda, and I don't see her willingness to put these goals as the top priorities and maintain them as top priorities throughout her administration if elected. Senator Sanders has this focus, and I have no reason to doubt that not only would he place these priorities first, he would keep them first, even if it meant he is only president for one term. That is what I am seeking in elected officials, especially at the very top of the electoral ticket.
 
Look for Hilary to really go after Bernie on his foreign policy in the wake of the Paris attacks. Bernie will have a problem;his "soft" approach to terrorism sells well with his core base, but is not going to sell well in the general election.
 
Hillary has two principal problems. First is that she's a compulsive liar. Not your every day liar, which all modern politicians must be to some degree. Like her husband, Hillary lies even when the truth would ultimately serve her better.

Which brings us to her second problem. Bill was a charming rogue. You knew he was lying to you and gosh darn it, you loved him anyway. Tell me another one Bill! Not so with Hillary. She isn't charming -- even her supporters probably wouldn't want her over for dinner unless she brought Bill as a plus one -- just "likable enough" as Obama put it in 2008. Talk about damning with faint praise. Where voters could forgive Bill's many, many lies, they aren't so quick to let Hillary's lies slide. This is why her favorable and trust numbers are so bad, and since her recognition factor is 100% there's no way to move those numbers.
 
I think the Bernie fanboys are getting a bit delusional about the chances of him getting the nomination.
 
dudalb said:
Look for Hilary to really go after Bernie on his foreign policy in the wake of the Paris attacks. Bernie will have a problem;his "soft" approach to terrorism sells well with his core base, but is not going to sell well in the general election.
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Military force won't solve terrorism issues, it only exasperates it by depleting and dispersing our resources and worsening conditions around the world increasing terrorist recruitment efforts. It isn't a matter of knee-jerk feel-good Band-Aids, it is about going to the core of the problem and resolving it.
 
Trakar said:
The cheapest, most certain way to deal with most of the world's current, and looming future problems is to begin focusing upon addressing the triplet heads of anthropogenic climate change, income inequality, and institutional injustice.
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Is Bernie planning on addressing income inequality worldwide or just in the US? And what does that mean when we in the US are rich compared to the ultra-poor in third world countries?

Trakar said:
My primary problem with Hillary is that I don't see this focus in her agenda, and I don't see her willingness to put these goals as the top priorities and maintain them as top priorities throughout her administration if elected. Senator Sanders has this focus, and I have no reason to doubt that not only would he place these priorities first, he would keep them first, even if it meant he is only president for one term. That is what I am seeking in elected officials, especially at the very top of the electoral ticket.
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If only the problems in the world were so simple that we need only address one of them and the rest would evaporate.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Is Bernie planning on addressing income inequality worldwide or just in the US? And what does that mean when we in the US are rich compared to the ultra-poor in third world countries?
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As with any major issue, it is best to get your own house in order before you start pushing and assisting other nations to resolve the issues in their own houses. You lead by example not at the point of guns.

Skeptic Ginger said:
If only the problems in the world were so simple that we need only address one of them and the rest would evaporate.
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Root issues generally work that way. You resolve the root issue and branching consequences tend to wither away.
 
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