Hillary Clinton is Done

[DavidJames]

Funny enough, I have the complete opposite view of what happened with Obama and the Republican Congress. I think he missed the signs. He missed the signal when Republican leaders met on Jan 20 2009 with Frank Luntz and Newt Gingrich and planned out the sabotage of the Obama presidency. Obama missed that GOP members voted in lockstep against every single proposal put forth or supported by him, even those that they would have supported in the past. He missed that certain members, posing as moderates (Snow, Collins), would draw him into a compromise position, and then abandon their own compromise after he had already given ground. No, I think Obama screwed the pooch in bending over backwards to try to find accommodation and compromise. He did not bargain from a position of strength. Over and over, he opened negotiations with an offer of compromise, rather than doling out compromise in likewise exchange.

Well said. Obama's big failure was not recognizing that compromise means shutting down the government unless the opposition does what you want.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Yeah, she may have problems in Congress, especially given that it's unlikely the Dems will control the House in her first term. But she can get some of it through with the rough and tumble of negotiation (from strength, unlike Obama so many times). Also, Supreme Court, Supreme Court, Supreme Court. The only hope of ever again regulating money in politics is to out-majority the Roberts court.

Obama made himself an easy target for criticism by immediately backtracking on high-bar promises in politically popular niches that he made on the campaign trail; the type which Hillary is unlikely to capitalize on in the first place at the same degree, so her worry is likely more with congress. Although she is still making lofty promises such as with the solar panel initiative it's more like standard fare campaigning so the bar is lower already and the criticism again, can't be as scathing.

 

[jhunter1163]

Wait, your evidence that the pro-gun ad from a Ted Cruz super-PAC isn't going over so well is that the Democratic Senator from Connecticut doesn't like it? Your bubble is a lot thicker than I had thought.

I live in Connecticut, and no one here likes it. Not that there was much chance that Connecticut would go red in 2016, but that ad killed any chance there was.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Wait, your evidence that the pro-gun ad from a Ted Cruz super-PAC isn't going over so well is that the Democratic Senator from Connecticut doesn't like it? Your bubble is a lot thicker than I had thought.

You seriously don't get it, do you?

The Ted Cruz ad, no matter who is responsible, is so despicable, it's exactly what the sensible gun regulations supporters need to piss people off enough they stop being cowed by the for profit gun lobby and say, enough is enough.

 

[sunmaster14]

I live in Connecticut, and no one here likes it. Not that there was much chance that Connecticut would go red in 2016, but that ad killed any chance there was.

No one? In the entire state of Connecticut? Actually, some of the biggest gun nuts I know are from Connecticut.

 

[sunmaster14]

You seriously don't get it, do you?

The Ted Cruz ad, no matter who is responsible, is so despicable, it's exactly what the sensible gun regulations supporters need to piss people off enough they stop being cowed by the for profit gun lobby and say, enough is enough.

Have you actually seen the ad? It doesn't sound like you have. I just watched it, and I don't see anything wrong with it. It takes a lot of courage actually to stand in the way of an enraged mob and prevent them from attacking our freedoms with their torches and pitchforks.

 

[plague311]

No one? In the entire state of Connecticut? Actually, some of the biggest gun nuts I know are from Connecticut.

Of course your anecdotal experience is the absolute opposite of someone who lives in the state. Why wouldn't it be?

 

[sunmaster14]

Of course your anecdotal experience is the absolute opposite of someone who lives in the state. Why wouldn't it be?

Because anecdotes are more likely to be random and not at all meaningful? I actually lived in Connecticut for a couple of years. And pace jhunter1163, who claims nobody likes it, I think it's a very fine state.

 

[plague311]

Because anecdotes are more likely to be random and not at all meaningful? I actually lived in Connecticut for a couple of years. And pace jhunter1163, who claims nobody likes it, I think it's a very fine state.

Right, but your statement is useless in the first place. You said some of the biggest gun nutters you know are there, but that doesn't mean they agree with the ad. Just because I'm a democrat doesn't mean I refuse to acknowledge when they say dumb ****, or make poor choices.

Maybe that's a skill you don't believe your gun nutter friends don't have....weird, that.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Have you actually seen the ad? It doesn't sound like you have. I just watched it, and I don't see anything wrong with it. It takes a lot of courage actually to stand in the way of an enraged mob and prevent them from attacking our freedoms with their torches and pitchforks.

Yes, I saw it on Chris Matthews last night.

I'm not surprised you don't recognize how despicable it is.

 

[DavidJames]

Yes, I saw it on Chris Matthews last night.

I'm not surprised you don't recognize how despicable it is.

What's despicable is in the eye of the beholder. Kinda like the gun issue in general. While I see lots of dead people from gun violence, others see target shooting. Just depends on one's perspective on the lives of others.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

No, just no. Mentioning a classroom of slaughtered 6 yr olds in your pro-gun ad is despicable. I would imagine most Republicans would agree. Give the backlash time, we'll see.

 

[sunmaster14]

What's despicable is in the eye of the beholder. Kinda like the gun issue in general. While I see lots of dead people from gun violence, others see target shooting. Just depends on one's perspective on the lives of others.

The General Skepticism and Paranormal forum is that way: ----------^

 

[sunmaster14]

No, just no. Mentioning a classroom of slaughtered 6 yr olds in your pro-gun ad is despicable. I would imagine most Republicans would agree. Give the backlash time, we'll see.

The ad didn't mention a classroom of slaughtered 6 yr olds. It mentioned an important event to put the referenced political fight in context. Complaining about that is equivalent to complaining about an ad mentioning World War II. OMG, how can you refer to the worldwide slaughter of 60 million people in a political ad?? You heartless bastard!

 

[Trakar]

7.. the idea that she criticizes the wealthy elites for exploiting the middle class whilst remaining in bed with them is a stronger argument than speaking of whether she has plausible deniability over a conspiracy theory propagation...

AMEN

 

[Trakar]

...Will she be limited in what she can achieve? Sure. Will she negotiate and compromise? Absolutely. But, I think she'll do a better job of it than Obama did.

That's a pretty low bar, but I think you are mistaken,...hopefully it will be a moot point, but only time will tell.

 

[Trakar]

No, just no. Mentioning a classroom of slaughtered 6 yr olds in your pro-gun ad is despicable. I would imagine most Republicans would agree. Give the backlash time, we'll see.

Speaking of backlash, how about Hillary's laughing cajoling with one of her campaign workers about his town hall remarks regarding reaching through a TV screen and strangling Carly Fiorina?

 

[Trakar]

Quite the dilemma

Gregory T. Angelo: Sanders is right: Don’t trust Hillary Clinton on gay rights
http://www.tulsaworld.com/opinion/o...cle_ea980566-4c63-509a-9f2d-8360c4cfdf4c.html

I never thought I’d say this: I agree with Bernie Sanders.

The Vermont senator and Democratic presidential candidate is rightly challenging Hillary Clinton’s credibility and consistency as an advocate of LGBT equality, and because of his sharp criticism, Clinton’s unflattering record on gay rights is finally receiving the scrutiny it deserves.


Log Cabin Republicans has long stated that voters look closely at Hillary Clinton’s spotty past on issues related to LGBT equality, but it took a self-avowed socialist surging in the primary to finally get the left to break out the magnifying glass.

Consider that a majority of Democratic voters (51 percent) supported marriage equality in 2004. In June of the same year, Clinton made an assertive speech on the floor of the U.S. Senate defending the “fundamental bedrock principle” of marriage as “a sacred bond between a man and a woman.”

It took Clinton nearly a decade to catch up with the rest of her own party: Her 2013 declaration of personal support for marriage...

...Clinton was, by contrast, much less concerned when her Clinton Health Initiative, an affiliate of her Foundation, received millions of dollars from a Baptist Church in Cameroon that equates gay people with “devils.”

Supporters of Clinton frequently rebuke efforts to call attention to that red flag—and many others—that plague her record on equality. They argue that the strength of Clinton’s pro-gay positions in the present negates an occasionally anti-gay past.

But this line of defense was dismantled when Clinton recently suggested — with a straight face — that passing a federal ban on marriage equality was somehow a political favor to gay and lesbian Americans...

Gregory T. Angelo is the President of Log Cabin Republicans, the nation’s organization representing LGBT conservatives and allies.

I didn't know how to handle this,...I feel they have a strong and valid point, on the other hand these are gay conservative Republicans. That said,...I'm a Older Progressive Republican, so I decided to run with it. The few Good Republicans left in this country have got to stick together.

 

[jhunter1163]

No one? In the entire state of Connecticut? Actually, some of the biggest gun nuts I know are from Connecticut.

No one here likes the ad; it probably cost the Republicans five percent of their vote. And a lot of people don't like living here, either; the property taxes in Bridgeport, where I live, are the highest in the entire country. There are positives, to be sure, but it's getting very difficult for the middle class here and a lot of them are voting with their feet.

 

[Loss Leader]

I think anybody who tries to use the Sandy Hook incident for any political purpose of any sort is going to be vilified in Connecticut. The small state takes it as a very personal matter and doesn't enjoy outsiders making hay of it.