Hillary Clinton is Done

[Loss Leader]

Bill Clinton got impeached

Not the best example you could cite seeing as the impeachment was a political farce, the Chief Justice of the US (a Republican) dressed as a character from Gilbert and Sullivan, the majority of Americans were against the idea, Clinton survived the impeachment, and the leader of the impeachment movement lost his job as Speaker of the House and all credibility within his own party.


In any case, you are conflating two different definitions of "personality." The original comment regarding Hillary used the term "personality" to mean "niceness, graciousness, deferential and 'lady-like'". You then try to equate that with a meaning of "personality flaw" that is closer to "character flaw that causes someone to be incapable of behaving legally or, at least, morally enough to be president." Perhaps Hillary is too immoral to be President, but that is irrelevant to the original comment about sexism.

Faulting Hillary Clinton for being mean or opinionated or "bitchy" is sexist.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Not the best example you could cite seeing as the impeachment was a political farce, the Chief Justice of the US (a Republican) dressed as a character from Gilbert and Sullivan, the majority of Americans were against the idea, Clinton survived the impeachment, and the leader of the impeachment movement lost his job as Speaker of the House and all credibility within his own party.


In any case, you are conflating two different definitions of "personality." The original comment regarding Hillary used the term "personality" to mean "niceness, graciousness, deferential and 'lady-like'". You then try to equate that with a meaning of "personality flaw" that is closer to "character flaw that causes someone to be incapable of behaving legally or, at least, morally enough to be president." Perhaps Hillary is too immoral to be President, but that is irrelevant to the original comment about sexism.

Faulting Hillary Clinton for being mean or opinionated or "bitchy" is sexist.

As always, it depends on context.

 

[xjx388]

Faulting Hillary Clinton for being mean or opinionated or "bitchy" is sexist.

What if someone actually does think she is mean, opinionated and/or bitchy? Those aren't good things for either a man or woman (well, opinionated isn't really something to fault someone for . . . unless they have different opinions than you . . . so that one probably does have a sexist basis).

I'm well aware that women are often unfairly criticized as having attributes that would be perceived as positive in a man (bossy vs take-charge, no-nonsense vs bitchy), but consider the opposite side: is it sexist to call Trump a "carnival barker," a male-dominated job with negative connotations? I can hear the cries of sexism if Hillary was ever called a "dominatrix." Trump is called every negative male stereotype in the book and it's not perceived as sexist. Is he a blowhard *******? Probably, but why isn't that sexist when calling Clinton a mean bitch is?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Same. I pretty much never agree with 16.5 but this trend of labeling absolutely everything as racist or sexist has to stop. Not only is it embarrassing for liberals but it detracts from real sexism and racism.

No one is saying everything against Clinton is sexist.

I'm saying a sexist undercurrent has contributed to the image she is untrustworthy and unlikeable.

One can't deny that this kind of thing dogs powerful women just as one can't deny racism contributes to some of the reaction to Obama. It's not overt but it clearly affects perceptions.

I know those on the right like to deny this cultural fact of life, but that doesn't make the subtle effect on perception of people disappear.

 

[The Big Dog]

It's not the trend, it's the news media's and the GOP's narrative.

And on that note, as a female I can't help but notice, women are still judged on their clothes personality, while men are not.

Obama's memo on beating Clinton


I'm sorry boys and girls but that is typical sexist based attack.

Is the news media harping on Bernie's temper? Honorable mention, maybe, but harping? No.

Why does Clinton have this supposed character flaw? Because powerful women are almost always seen as bitches.

Not the best example you could cite seeing as the impeachment was a political farce, the Chief Justice of the US (a Republican) dressed as a character from Gilbert and Sullivan, the majority of Americans were against the idea, Clinton survived the impeachment, and the leader of the impeachment movement lost his job as Speaker of the House and all credibility within his own party.


In any case, you are conflating two different definitions of "personality." The original comment regarding Hillary used the term "personality" to mean "niceness, graciousness, deferential and 'lady-like'". You then try to equate that with a meaning of "personality flaw" that is closer to "character flaw that causes someone to be incapable of behaving legally or, at least, morally enough to be president." Perhaps Hillary is too immoral to be President, but that is irrelevant to the original comment about sexism.

Faulting Hillary Clinton for being mean or opinionated or "bitchy" is sexist.

Wow, you COMPLETELY misunderstood what I was talking about when i referred to the impeachment, and everything you said about the posts was utterly and completely wrong.

"Rahm Emmanuel is mean." Oh noes sexist!

How skeptical

 

[Dog Town]

...everything you said about the posts was utterly and completely wrong.

Why should today be different?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

So if he had said, Bill is a congenital liar, and so is his wife, would that be sexist?

...Faulting Hillary Clinton for being mean or opinionated or "bitchy" is sexist.

Ask yourself (the general 'you') why you don't see the same attacks on male politicians to the same degree. Let's take the Clintons themselves. Bill was accused of waffling on the issues. Hillary is called a liar.

Do you (again the general 'you') really think Clinton is untrustworthy? She was trustworthy enough a couple years ago in the job of Secretary of State.

She's been a Progressive as far back as First Lady of Arkansas, when she was asked if her career didn't mean she couldn't be a good wife to her husband. Look it up, the interview is on YouTube.

She gave a very important speech on women's rights way back when she was First Lady and everyone praised her for that. Yet she is accused of not having accomplished anything as Secretary of State. There is a list of her accomplishments as Senator and Secretary of State on her website and it's not 'nothing'. What Senator running for President is accused of having accomplished nothing?


On another note, Trump is on the news right now blaming Clinton for the entire mess in the Middle East.

 

[xjx388]

Ask yourself (the general 'you') why you don't see the same attacks on male politicians to the same degree. Let's take the Clintons themselves. Bill was accused of waffling on the issues. Hillary is called a liar.

I have no problem calling Hillary a liar. It has nothing to do with her sex. It has to do with her record since Bill was in office.

Do you (again the general 'you') really think Clinton is untrustworthy? She was trustworthy enough a couple years ago in the job of Secretary of State.

I never thought so.

She's been a Progressive as far back as First Lady of Arkansas, when she was asked if her career didn't mean she couldn't be a good wife to her husband. Look it up, the interview is on YouTube.

That was a sexist question, I will grant.

She gave a very important speech on women's rights way back when she was First Lady and everyone praised her for that. Yet she is accused of not having accomplished anything as Secretary of State. There is a list of her accomplishments as Senator and Secretary of State on her website and it's not 'nothing'. What Senator running for President is accused of having accomplished nothing?

Any of the young Republican senators? Rubio in particular has taken heat for his inexperience . . . oh but he's Hispanic so that's probably racist?

On another note, Trump is on the news right now blaming Clinton for the entire mess in the Middle East.

Being that she was Secretary of State for a good chunk of recent history, shouldn't she get some blame for that? Or is it sexist to point that out?

 

[The Big Dog]

Ask yourself (the general 'you') why you don't see the same attacks on male politicians to the same degree. Let's take the Clintons themselves. Bill was accused of waffling on the issues. Hillary is called a liar.

Oh noes! You mentioned Bill Clinton, you are teh sexist!

Bill Clinton is a liar, he was impeached for lying....

This is an utterly absurd discussion, oh well,

 

[The_Animus]

I'm saying a sexist undercurrent has contributed to the image she is untrustworthy and unlikeable.

I grant this is likely true for a portion of the population. For another portion of the population it has nothing to do with sexism and everything to do with her words and actions.

 

[logger]

All very nice still doesn't make your continued sexism right.

This is a perfect example why charges of racism, sexism, and the like have no meaning anymore. They are used in the most petty ways imaginable.

If you dishonest liberals want to explore sexism, explore what the left and you did to Sarah Palin.

 

[Loss Leader]

Bill Clinton is a liar, he was impeached for lying....

He was impeached for perjury in a deposition in a civil case that was settled before trial.

And, as if this weren't clear enough, he was not convicted. He has never been convicted of any illegal act by any tribunal.

In any case, was Jimmy Carter a liar when he gave the Canadians credit for the Argo rescue?

Was George H. W. Bush a liar when he represented that US troops would make a beach landing in Kuwait and not enter Iraq?

Lying isn't the reason you dislike the Clintons. Lying is the reason you've assigned to support your dislike for the Clintons. There's a big difference.

 

[The Big Dog]

He was impeached for perjury in a deposition in a civil case that was settled before trial.

He wasn't impeached for lying he was impeached for perjury.

Solid point we will a note it....

you have not come anywhere the point we are discussing, of course.

 

[thaiboxerken]

I thought Hillary was done...........

 

[Trakar]

I thought Hillary was done...........

Nah, like Nightmare on Elm Street, Halloween, or Alien, as long as there is money to be made, ...they'll be baack!

 

[Loss Leader]

I thought Hillary was done...........

...worrying about the rest of the Democratic field.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I grant this is likely true for a portion of the population. For another portion of the population it has nothing to do with sexism and everything to do with her words and actions.

Really? Care to spell those reasons out? Let's see how they compare to the same complaints about male politicians.

Mind you I take the position we have to tease out the GOP assault committee's activity.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Really? Care to spell those reasons out? Let's see how they compare to the same complaints about male politicians.

Mind you I take the position we have to tease out the GOP assault committee's activity.

I don't know if you have to tease it out of them so much as beat it out of them, sorta like the old joke about how to train a mule, the punchline of which is "First, you've got to get their attention".

In the post being questioned, Darat's pointing out the more subtle example, whereas the more blatant one is "female apologists". The assumption being that there's some reason in their fervid imaginations that being female has something that merits an apology?

No. No sexism here. I mean, I'd hit that! (How many times has someone asked if you'd want to wake up next to Biden or Sanders?)

 

[bruto]

I'm all for comparing Hillary with Bill. I quail at the thought that we'll have to endure another eight year nightmare of peace.

 

[Trebuchet]

I'm all for comparing Hillary with Bill. I quail at the thought that we'll have to endure another eight year nightmare of peace.

And prosperity, and balanced budgets. Then again, we had to put up with Newt and his Contract On America.