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Hillary Clinton is Done: part 3
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Is that a Chapstick in his pocket or is he happy to see you?
Belz...
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It's not as hilarious as Christie deer-in-headlights, confused and defeated look while standing behind Trump.
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Evidence for this claim?
But Hillary is a habitual liar and barefaced criminal.
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Evidence for this claim?
Regular politicians usually aren't on the receiving end of FBI investigations. That's usually reserved for the corrupt ones.
Doesn't matter though, since none of this is happening in a vacuum. No matter how corrupt Hillary is, Trump represents an actual threat to the human race.
Belz...
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Let's change the wording, shall we?
Innocent people aren't usually brought in front of a criminal court. That's usually reserved for the guilty.
I know, presumption of innocence and all that, except this isn't a courtroom it's politics. There's a reason why an indictment would have been catastrophic, presumption of innocence and all.
Look, you wanted evidence that she's more corrupt than most. Has a nominee from a major political party ever been investigated by the FBI? Hillary's the first. Comey didn't exactly give her a get-out-of-jail-free card. He savaged her in that news conference, and for good reason. Every talking point Hillary made about the email scandal was eventually demolished, so she's either really dishonest or really stupid, and I know she's not really stupid. It just didn't rise to the level of criminality. That doesn't get her off the hook as far as "corrupt" and "dishonest" goes.
acbytesla
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No. Any mathematician will telk you that is a false use of statistical analysis.
It's backwards. The odds of any one specific person winning the lottery is astronomical. Yet the odds of someone winning the lottery is quite high. You can not point to the winner and suggest they did something wrong because the odds of them winning was astronomical.
And that is EXACTLY what you are doing. HRC was hit by lightning therefore she rigged it somehow? NO.
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Perhaps you can explain why you think I'm doing nothing to stop Trump. Voting for Clinton is not the only way to stop Trump; except for those people who can't be bothered to do anything but post on internet forums.
It's the philosophical problem of acts vs. omissions. By failing to act (i.e., vote for Clinton), you share in the culpability of the bad outcome (A Trump victory).
There are some problems with this line of thought. Are we morally responsible for the death of children in faraway places because we don't give enough to charity? Suppose there's only one charity and it's really corrupt, but it still steers 10% of its money to stamping out malaria. Should one support it anyway?
I'm not going to tell you you're immoral for not voting for Clinton, or you have a duty to vote for her to prevent a horrible outcome. I think you should, but I understand if you can't bring yourself to do so.
Belz...
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The principle behind presumption of innocence is one of rational philosophy, which I think should apply to politics as well. If we throw out rationality because we're talking about social issues, then the results we'll get are just based on gut feelings, fear and hysteria. How good would such a system be? We might as well bring back monarchy and let the "elites" deal with the problem, instead.
That's irrelevant unless the FBI finds that she has done something criminal. They have ruled that she did not. At worst she was careless, according to them.
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While I'm flattered by your obsession with me (something from May 2014, really?), I'm starting to think that it's not good for your mental health.
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That would require showing that a regular politician hasn't taken bribes, lied under oath, subverted the Federal Records laws, mishandled classified information, and otherwise obstructed justice. In other words, proving a negative. Like I said.
What are your motives then?
Shalamar
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Guilty until proven guilty.
Actually, it's probably rational for a voter to presume an indicted politician is guilty. I bet I can make a pretty good statistical argument that indicted politicians are overwhelmingly found guilty of (or plead guilty to) criminal acts, but I don't care to wade through a bunch of cases.
The argument isn't that Clinton is a criminal, it's that she's more corrupt than most politicians.
No, she was "extremely careless". Why was she extremely careless? There are two explanations: stupidity or dishonesty. Dishonesty is the obvious one.
Another first for Clinton: getting called out by the FBI Director for extremely careless behavior. But whatever. You're entitled to your opinion. If you think Clinton is a run-of-the-mill politician, you attach way less significance to being extremely careless with classified info than I do.
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What if your next door neighbor's home catches fire while you're standing with a hose in your hand and all you have to do is direct the stream and choose not to?
What did Edmund Burke say?
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
Slings and Arrows
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Agreed, Chris Christie needs to drop some pounds. But the same thing can be said about Hillary Clinton; both are considerably overweight.
Hopefully, Christie will work on taking off some tonnage while serving as the next Attorney General.
In Clinton's case, she will have plenty of free time to work on her weight problem once she checks into her new home. Inmates at the maximum security ("supermax") prison's are forced to spend 23 hours a day in solitary confinement. So she'll have endless hours of idle time to devote to weight loss.
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Any? Maybe I should ask my wife. Or any one of at least 50 of our acquaintances.
Hillary Clinton is not just any random person. She was the wife of the current Attorney General and governor-elect of the state of Arkansas. And the person in charge of managing her account was outside counsel for Tyson Foods, one of the largest corporations in the state. The broker in charge was a former executive of Tyson Foods who worked in the Springdale, Arkansas office of Refco. That office was later found to have systematically violated the Mercantile Exchange's rules, and was credibly alleged (including testimony by two Refco traders) to have engaged in illegal trading practices, including those that could be used to allocate profits preferentially to a specific account.
Hillary started with $1,000, which wasn't even enough money to cover the margin on her initial trades, and when she hit $100,000, she stopped suddenly and never traded cattle futures again.
When the wife of the governor-elect gets hit by lightning, it damn well does demonstrate that the game is rigged somehow. Why was she even trading cattle futures anyway? She and Bill didn't make a lot of money, and she felt financially insecure. I don't think a reasonably intelligent person starts trading cattle futures to build up a financial cushion. That's what you do if you've got money to play with, or if you're so deep in the hole that it makes sense to roll the dice. I suppose mental illness is also a reason, but in that case, she wouldn't have stopped.
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NoahFence
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You're falling into the same trap that stark is. Voting for Clinton is not the only way to keep Trump out of the White House.
Am I culpable if my other efforts fail? Please explain why my other efforts are not enough.
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