Hillary Clinton is Done: part 2

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The_Animus said:
A poll released yesterday says 2/3 of voters want Clinton to release the transcripts of her speeches. But someone might spin it negatively so who cares about giving voters relevant information they want.

Clinton is setting some quality precedents for future politians.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/1/hillary-clintons-wall-street-speech-transcripts-an/

Having trouble accessing the poll itself from my phone so I'll look again later from PC
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Any reasoning that would explain to an outside observer why these speeches are relevant? Other than mere assertions, I mean?
 
The_Animus said:
A poll released yesterday says 2/3 of voters want Clinton to release the transcripts of her speeches. But someone might spin it negatively so who cares about giving voters relevant information they want.

Clinton is setting some quality precedents for future politians.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/1/hillary-clintons-wall-street-speech-transcripts-an/

Having trouble accessing the poll itself from my phone so I'll look again later from PC
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A poll conducted my Morning Consult? Who the hell is that? Reported on by the WA Times? Hey, that's adds some real gravitas. :rolleyes:

The fact that you didn't even see the poll didn't stop you from foisting it though. Crikey.

Because The_Animus supposedly has me on ignore, he won't receive this generous critique. Oh well.
 
RobRoy said:
Yep, really. It was a real story. I just provided the first link that came up in the Google search. I'm sorry it doesn't meet your qualifications.
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And yet it doesn't seem to be the stuff of double standards.

Speaking of which, aren't there bound to be examples of double standards for Hillary? I mean, hypocrisy and special pleading are staples of political rhetoric. The record should be chock-full of her opponents applying one standard to her while reserving another standard for themselves or their preferred candidate. Would it really signify anything special about Hillary, to find such examples?
 
theprestige said:
And yet it doesn't seem to be the stuff of double standards.
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Why not? Were the other candidates in this cycle subjected to hair care considerations?

Would it really signify anything special about Hillary, to find such examples?
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Nope. Not really. But the question was asked, and that was the first thing that came to my mind. As I recall, there was even a meme or two about it.
 
Donal said:
In what was suppsoed to be her big policy statement and an outline of her foreign policy, the gist of Hillary's speech was "I'm not Trump". And sadly, that will be enough to get her elected.
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When you're able to make a speech that's only purpose is to drive these two points home:

1. I'm a serious adult who knows things,

2. Trump is a reckless, unhinged know-nothing,

and that's as deep as you'll ever need to go because it's frustratingly self evident; there isn't really a difficult choice with the forced binary that dominates prevailing American politics.
 
Travis said:
How do you defend these statements?

How is Hillary not a progressive? She is solidly in line with progressives on the core progressive issues. So where do you get off making such proclamations?
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Nothing?

A bunch of posts saying no one can call themselves a progressive and support Hillary and yet nothing when I call you on it?

Anyone else want to try? Anyone want to lay out how Hillary isn't a progressive?
 
RobRoy said:
Why not? Were the other candidates in this cycle subjected to hair care considerations?
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Why is it only this cycle that matters?

Plenty of politicians--many of them male--have been criticized for haircare-related activities. Plenty of politicians--many of them male--have been criticized for holding up traffic or otherwise inconveniencing people over seemingly unserious things.

Nope. Not really. But the question was asked, and that was the first thing that came to my mind. As I recall, there was even a meme or two about it.
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The first thing that comes to mind isn't by itself evidence of a double standard. Where's the pattern? Because the pattern I see is that Hillary is getting the same kind of treatment as every other politician.

Trump is ridiculed for his hair all the time. (And for his skin color!) Trump has derogatory memes galore. Joe Biden came in for plenty of ageist criticism in his time. Where's the pattern of double standards for Hillary?
 
Liar-in-Chief

Ever since it was revealed that she'd used a private email server and a personal email account for official communications, Clinton has insisted that the State Department had "allowed" or "permitted" her to do that.

Not true, according to Inspector General Steve Linick.

He said Clinton never asked for permission to use a private server, and wouldn't have received permission if she'd requested it. Diplomats aren't supposed to email via private servers because of "significant security risks."

Apparently no one at the State Department instructed Clinton to use the agency's official email service, which was a bureaucratic bungle, but as secretary of state she surely should have known the rules.

And when the issue was later raised by two officials in the State Department's record-keeping section, their boss ordered the staff "to never speak of the secretary's personal email system again."

Subject closed, Nixon-style.

Read more:
http://www.kitsapsun.com/opinion/cl...fe-3d64-0521-e053-0100007f2623-381650291.html (June 2, 2016)
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"Secretary Clinton used mobile devices to conduct official business using the personal email account on her private server extensively.

"Throughout Secretary Clinton’s tenure, the Foreign Affairs Manual stated that normal day-to-day operations should be conducted on an authorized Automated Information System, yet the Office of Inspector General found no evidence that the Secretary requested or obtained guidance or approval to conduct official business via a personal email account on her private server.

"According to the current Chief Information Officer and the Assistant Secretary for Diplomatic Security, Secretary Clinton had an obligation to discuss using her personal email account to conduct official business with their offices, who in turn would have attempted to provide her with approved and secured means that met her business needs. However, according to these officials, the Bureau of Diplomatic Security did not—and would not—approve her exclusive reliance on a personal email account to conduct Department business, because of the restrictions in the Foreign Affairs Manual and the security risks in doing so."

Reference:
Inspector General Steve Linick's official report on the Clinton email security breach

Crooked Hillary can not be trusted to safeguard classified information, and this is especially true for the secret identities of U.S. covert agents -- she'll end up blowing their cover and getting them killed. The woman is a dangerous, bungling incompetent.
 
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Yo, spam man. You don't need to speculate what she'd do. She was SOS and a senator for over a decade. How about commenting on her actions during that tenure. You know, not crap she could have done, stuff that actually happened. Not conjecture, speculation, but a coherent commentary backed by facts.

Off topic for here, but something else for you to ignore (along with the rest of the Republicans). How about you guys post something positive in an appropriate thread about your guy?
 
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theprestige said:
Why is it only this cycle that matters?

Plenty of politicians--many of them male--have been criticized for haircare-related activities. Plenty of politicians--many of them male--have been criticized for holding up traffic or otherwise inconveniencing people over seemingly unserious things.
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Holding a plane on the tarmac inconveniencing people for a hair cut is not anything close to making fun of pantsuits. I don't recall any male POTUS or candidates who've been criticized recently for their suits.

theprestige said:
Trump is ridiculed for his hair all the time. (And for his skin color!) Trump has derogatory memes galore. Joe Biden came in for plenty of ageist criticism in his time. Where's the pattern of double standards for Hillary?
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The reason people make fun of Trump's rug is it's very odd. It's not because he's a man and people criticize men's haircuts on a regular basis.

theprestige said:
The first thing that comes to mind isn't by itself evidence of a double standard. Where's the pattern? Because the pattern I see is that Hillary is getting the same kind of treatment as every other politician.
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The first thing that comes to my mind when people deny the fact that racism and sexism have any influence in how Obama and Clinton are perceived respectively is you are in denial.

I already posted evidence, sunmaster14 hand waved it off just as you have done repeatedly.

It's one thing to contest some positions claiming extreme sexism but it's incredibly ignorant to deny any sexism and/or a double standard is affecting how Clinton is perceived.
 
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Travis said:
Nothing?

A bunch of posts saying no one can call themselves a progressive and support Hillary and yet nothing when I call you on it?

Anyone else want to try? Anyone want to lay out how Hillary isn't a progressive?
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Travis, this is just like your disingenuous "How is Hillary a Liar" question. You know the answer, or at least you should, given that you read these forums and it's been posted over and over and over and over and over and over. Even if you might not agree with the reasons people have given, you know them or could easily look them up again.

No one answers you because you're not genuinely asking.
 
The_Animus said:
Travis, this is just like your disingenuous "How is Hillary a Liar" question. You know the answer, or at least you should, given that you read these forums and it's been posted over and over and over and over and over and over. Even if you might not agree with the reasons people have given, you know them or could easily look them up again.

No one answers you because you're not genuinely asking.
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Heck, the reason she is winning the primary is she isn't progressive. The Democrats are not the progressive party.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Heck, the reason she is winning the primary is she isn't progressive. The Democrats are not the progressive party.
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The Democrats are not The Progressive Party. Relative to all the other pertinent parties to this discussion/election, they are progressive. Dilettante socialists who intend to pout in November notwithstanding, the progressive votes will break 90:10 for the Democrats.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Bernstein – The White House Is Terrified the Clinton Campaign “Is in Freefall”
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Excerpt from the article:

"The implications of all of this [the email server issue] are that Hillary Clinton did not want her emails subjected to the Freedom of Information Act or subpoenas from Congress. And that’s why she set up a home-brew server.

"I was in Washington this week, I spoke to a number of top Democratic officials and they’re terrified, including people at the White House, that her campaign is in free fall because of this distrust factor. Indeed, Trump has a similar problem, but she’s the one whose numbers are going south.

"And the great hope in the White House, as well as the Democratic leadership and people who support her, is that she can just get to this convention, get the nomination — which they’re no longer 100% sure of — and get President Obama out there to help her, he’s got a lot of credibility, it’s an election that’s partly about his legacy.

"But she needs all the help she can get because right now her campaign is in huge trouble…"

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So the plan is to get President Obama out on the campaign trail.

Well, former President Bill Clinton has been on the campaign trail for months. And his results? Near empty rallies with a few yawning spectators.

No one, not even President Obama, will be able to gin up any enthusiasm for Crooked Hillary -- assuming "she can just get to" November, without being carted off to the hoosegow first.
 
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