Hillary Clinton is Done: part 2

[sunmaster14]

Wildcat (also sunmaster and 16.5), I'd like to start from the bottom of this list and work up.

Please provide specific evidence of Hillary (not Bill, not Carville) smearing and vilifying Regina Blakely Hopper.

(Maybe this warrants a new thread?)

I never even heard any of the bottom seven names before, but certainly Hillary has attributed allegations of Bill's shenanigans to a vast, right-wing conspiracy, when she sure as **** knew that Bill couldn't keep his pants on.

 

[varwoche]

I never even heard any of the bottom seven names before, but certainly Hillary has attributed allegations of Bill's shenanigans to a vast, right-wing conspiracy, when she sure as **** knew that Bill couldn't keep his pants on.

200 proof non evidence.

Next?

 

[The Big Dog]

Wildcat (also sunmaster and 16.5), I'd like to start from the bottom of this list and work up.

Please provide specific evidence of Hillary (not Bill, not Carville) smearing and vilifying Regina Blakely Hopper.

(Maybe this warrants a new thread?)

I'd like to start elsewhere and include Hillary and the Clinton hatchet men like Carville and Blumenthal and Brock.

The fact that Hillary wants it to seem like she is above the fray does not make it so.

To begin:

Hillary Clinton told a close friend that Monica Lewinsky was a "narcissistic loony toon."

 

[plague311]

I'd like to start elsewhere and include Hillary and the Clinton hatchet men like Carville and Blumenthal and Brock.

The fact that Hillary wants it to seem like she is above the fray does not make it so.

To begin:

Hillary Clinton told a close friend that Monica Lewinsky was a "narcissistic loony toon."

Please provide any form of evidence that she's not. I'm not saying a claim, but you're saying Hillary is wrong, support your claim.

 

[varwoche]

I'd like to start elsewhere and include Hillary and the Clinton hatchet men like Carville and Blumenthal and Brock.

Of course you do.

Strike two. Next?

Wildcat, it looks like it's up to you to provide specific evidence of Hillary smearing and vilifying Regina Blakely Hopper.

 

[The Big Dog]

Of course you do.

Strike two. Next?

Wildcat, it looks like it's up to you to provide specific evidence of Hillary smearing and vilifying Regina Blakely Hopper.

Oh I love it! You make up the games so you can easily ignore the Clinton's actual sleazy conduct.

'k.

Hillary bluntly issued her threat:

“I think we’re going to find some other things. And I think that when all of this is put into context, and we really look at the people involved here, look at their motivations and look at their backgrounds, look at their past behavior, some folks are going to have a lot to answer for.”

(Today Show video hosted by C-SPAN, comment at 13:00 mark.)

Less than two weeks later, on February 8, former high level Clinton White House operative George Stephanopoulos said on the ABC News Sunday morning talk show This Week that the Clinton administration was threatening to go scorched earth on Clinton’s accusers and investigators by employing the ‘Ellen Rometsch strategy’ should they not back down.

Oh but that does not fit into Varoche's arbitrary game, now does it?

 

[RobRoy]

Please provide any form of evidence that she's not. I'm not saying a claim, but you're saying Hillary is wrong, support your claim.

Can you prove a negative? I think we could offer evidence that she was reasonably sane, and, all things considered, adjusted to her situation, but wouldn't it require one (if not several) clinicians to diagnose her level of narcissism or "looniness"?

 

[Bob001]

Please provide any form of evidence that she's not. I'm not saying a claim, but you're saying Hillary is wrong, support your claim.

How would you prove that anyone, even Hillary, is not a "narcissistic loony toon?" The point is that Hillary's response to hubby's misconduct was to disparage and demean a 22-year-old intern. And if Monica was a "narcissistic loony toon," isn't it even worse that Bill took up with her?

 

[TheL8Elvis]

I'd like to start elsewhere and include Hillary and the Clinton hatchet men like Carville and Blumenthal and Brock.

The fact that Hillary wants it to seem like she is above the fray does not make it so.

To begin:

Hillary Clinton told a close friend that Monica Lewinsky was a "narcissistic loony toon."

Hillary Clinton described Monica Lewinsky as a “narcissistic loony toon” in a private chat with her best pal – and even blamed herself in part for Bill’s philandering ways, according to newly revealed documents.

= public smear campaign. Gotcha

 

[Belz...]

Oh I love it! You make up the games so you can easily ignore the Clinton's actual sleazy conduct.

What actual sleazy conduct, exactly? And by excactly, I mean not just insinuation.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

How would you prove that anyone, even Hillary, is not a "narcissistic loony toon?" The point is that Hillary's response to hubby's misconduct was to disparage and demean a 22-year-old intern. And if Monica was a "narcissistic loony toon," isn't it even worse that Bill took up with her?

In other political news, Donald Trump's new ad features Bill Clinton chomping on a cigar:

The black and white spot runs for about 20 seconds and features women's voices, including Juanita Broaddrick, who accused Bill Clinton of rape. Bill Clinton is shown with a cigar in his mouth. The ad ends with Hillary laughing and the words: "Here we go again?"

Reference:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/donald-trumps-new-attack-ad-896660 (May 23, 2016)

Watch the 20 second video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyI2okq4h1U

Smoke em if you got em!

 

[The Big Dog]

Hillary Pocketed $550 K worth of Jewlery from Saudis?

Interesting question, we do know however that they were not disclosed or turned into the GSA:

GSA response to FOIA

Maybe she can wear them to sentencing?

 

[varwoche]

Oh I love it! You make up the games so you can easily ignore the Clinton's actual sleazy conduct.

I'm asking you to provide specific evidence of Hillary's sleazy conduct. This is two times you've failed.

Oh but that does not fit into Varoche's arbitrary game, now does it?

Arbitrary?! I'm responding to Wildcat's list. Please pay better attention. TIA.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Of course. It's also about victims of sexual assault getting smeared by a powerful political machine if they dare to speak up.

Because that's all Trump has: try to smear H Clinton because of B Clinton's behavior.

H Clinton's record on women's rights is unassailable, sorry but your charge doesn't fly except with the people who already have HDS.

 

[Ron_Tomkins]

49 pages into the discussion, have we figured out already who is wrong, and who has the correct prediction of who's going to win?

 

[The Big Dog]

I'm asking you to provide specific evidence of Hillary's sleazy conduct. This is two times you've failed.

Arbitrary?! I'm responding to Wildcat's list. Please pay better attention. TIA.

Actually I have two direct quotes from Hillary about women who were accusing Bill of misconduct.

DS: “Did you call her a narcissistic loony-toon?”

HRC: “I am not going to comment on what I did or did not say-back in the late '90s.”

Hillary 2016!

 

[wareyin]

49 pages into the discussion, have we figured out already who is wrong, and who has the correct prediction of who's going to win?

Well, I think we've figured out that those who claim Clinton is done are wrong.

 

[The_Animus]

How can she be hiding from the press when she's campaigning instead of doing the debate? There is no upside to her doing the debate. The only thing that would happen is Bernie would bash her for the entire debate.

If you don't care about integrity or whether a candidate keeps their promises and commitments that's your problem.

Some of us do, and the argument that she should ignore her own agreements because she doesn't feel it benefits her anymore is pathetic. What a low standard you must have for candidates.

 

[The Big Dog]

All female victims should be heard and supported (unless they were victimized by my husband). #Slogans4Hillary

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

These women have accused Slick Willie of sexual assault/rape or sexual harassment:

Juanita Broaddrick
Kathleen Willey
Paula Jones
Eileen Wellstone
Sandra Allen James
Christy Zercher
Carolyn Moffet
Helen Dowdy
Becky Brown
Regina Blakely Hopper

Hillary's and Team Clinton's response has been to unleash the full fury of their political machine to smear them and vilify them, and Clinton supporters have joined in in smearing these women who dared speak out against their hero.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/05/bill-...st-women-mistresses-scandals-photos-pictures/

The last three of those are a reach.

Helen Dowdy says he danced to close, she didn't like it. OK, but that's pretty minor.

Becky Brown said he sat next to her and used a come on line she'd heard before. She left. That's not assault. We know he's a philanderer.

Regina Blakely Hopper had consensual sex and said once he was too rough. Hard to say what to think about that one given it was consensual.


Moffat's story and Jones' are similar, but Jones' was thrown out in court and do we know if Moffat was looking for a similar pay out? I can see the groping and the attempts to kiss women, it probably worked sometimes so he continued. But hanging his penis out in hotel rooms, I find that hard to accept at face value. It's too bizarre. And Jones' goal of making a large sum plus nothing to lose given the GOP paid for the lawsuit, that taints the story.


You've got this state trooper who made hundreds of allegations about B. Clinton under oath. (He wouldn't be the first person to lie about or exaggerate this kind of thing under oath.) I don't doubt Clinton was in the habit of inviting women to his hotel room.

But then the trooper went on to write a tell-all book and included the claim the Clinton's were swingers when there is no evidence at all that H Clinton was involved in the sex.

I'm willing to buy he groped and kissed women without their consent. I've not seen evidence that H Clinton was complicit and I noted earlier that H Clinton seeing Paula Jones as no more than a gold-digger is something a lot of wives would have believed given the circumstances. She only filed the lawsuit when the Republicans put her up to it.

Why Hillary Clinton Won't Pay for Disparaging Her Husband's Accusers

Yes, she behaved badly. But under the circumstances, how many people would've managed better? And how is it relevant to the job she may seek?