Hillary Clinton is Done: part 2

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Bob001 said:
The transcript thing allows the Republicans to fuel the worst suspicions about Hillary among people who already don't trust her. The next step will be to circulate false transcripts, or real snippets taken out of context. But sooner or later she'll have to provide them, or someone else will (I'll bet the stenographer has a price in mind) and it will be a much bigger story than it should have been.
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Hammering on the transcripts might not be a good idea. If they get released and there's really not much damning in them, then a lot of people might just decide that all criticism of Hillary is similarly baseless. Perhaps she's just biding her time, and then she'll release them and say, "See? Nothing here!"

Skeptic Ginger said:
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As bad as? Trump is a disaster waiting to happen, a CTer, mentally disturbed, a liar, a hypocrite to the nth degree.

No way have I said as bad as, Trump is so much worse than Clinton it's hard to adequately describe.
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Oddly enough, I watched one of the Republican debates, and I found myself agreeing with Trump a lot of the time. Against Carson, Cruz, and Rubio, he came off as a moderate. (I don't know about Kasich. I don't remember him saying much of anything.) I think that says more about the Republican Party than it does about Trump, though.

Trump and Clinton are polarizing figures, even within their own parties. (Somebody even made a website where you can pledge not to vote for Hillary.) I think the election would basically come down to people voting against Trump by voting Hillary, and people voting against Hillary by voting Trump. In other words, spite voting. A president, any president, who is elected primarily out of spite is troubling.
 
wareyin said:
Yes, the ODS sufferers first demanded evidence of Obama's birth that they did not demand of other candidates, then refused to accept the evidence provided. After 3 years of badgering, Obama released the long form, and they still did not accept it. I wonder why caving in to HDS sufferer demands would turn out any different?
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Oh, for crap's sake, Obama came onto the scene as an unknown quantity, unlike candidates who had been in national politics for decades. His father was a Kenyan student who went home after Obama was born, and Obama spent a large part of his childhood in Indonesia. That's all pretty exotic for a U.S. presidential candidate, and that's what gave rise to the weirdness. Different circumstances raise different questions. Nevertheless, Obama allowed the badgering to go on when he could have shut it down with a phone call. Refusing to respond earlier hurt him a lot.
 
Bob001 said:
Oh, for crap's sake, Obama came onto the scene as an unknown quantity, unlike candidates who had been in national politics for decades. His father was a Kenyan student who went home after Obama was born, and Obama spent a large part of his childhood in Indonesia. That's all pretty exotic for a U.S. presidential candidate, and that's what gave rise to the weirdness. Different circumstances raise different questions. Nevertheless, Obama allowed the badgering to go on when he could have shut it down with a phone call. Refusing to respond earlier hurt him a lot.
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Oh, for crap's sake, Obama was badgered into something that no other Presidential candidate has ever been badgered into, and even after providing it, is still not believed. The idea that he could have shut it down with a phone call is ludicrous.
 
Bob001 said:
Oh, for crap's sake, Obama came onto the scene as an unknown quantity, unlike candidates who had been in national politics for decades. His father was a Kenyan student who went home after Obama was born, and Obama spent a large part of his childhood in Indonesia. That's all pretty exotic for a U.S. presidential candidate, and that's what gave rise to the weirdness. Different circumstances raise different questions. Nevertheless, Obama allowed the badgering to go on when he could have shut it down with a phone call. Refusing to respond earlier hurt him a lot.
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How did it hurt him? It hurt the morons that kept hooting and hollering about it, but I don't know how it hurt him at all. Except to those that hated him already because of....well, we'll leave that there.

Are you saying that people that are Presidential Candidates, and have also sat in the Senate for a period of time, are not vetted? Obama shouldn't have had to do anything, and Trump is a *********** moron for condoning that kind of behavior, and then enabling it.
 
Axiom_Blade said:
Hammering on the transcripts might not be a good idea. If they get released and there's really not much damning in them, then a lot of people might just decide that all criticism of Hillary is similarly baseless. Perhaps she's just biding her time, and then she'll release them and say, "See? Nothing here!"
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The obvious response would be: why in the hell did it take you so long, why didn't you just release them in the first place instead of your infantile excuses.

However, lets all get on the same page:

WE DEMAND THAT ALL CANDIDATES IMMEDIATELY RELEASE TRANSCRIPTS OF THEIR PAID SPEECHES.

Who else is with me?
 
plague311 said:
How did it hurt him? It hurt the morons that kept hooting and hollering about it, but I don't know how it hurt him at all. Except to those that hated him already because of....well, we'll leave that there.

Are you saying that people that are Presidential Candidates, and have also sat in the Senate for a period of time, are not vetted? Obama shouldn't have had to do anything, and Trump is a *********** moron for condoning that kind of behavior, and then enabling it.
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It hurt him by giving his enemies a weapon against him. Of course he shouldn't have had to respond, and yes Trump is an ass for promoting the birthers. But we all do things we shouldn't have to do. In the world we live in, Obama could have punctured the bubble before it got so big.
 
wareyin said:
Oh, for crap's sake, Obama was badgered into something that no other Presidential candidate has ever been badgered into, and even after providing it, is still not believed. The idea that he could have shut it down with a phone call is ludicrous.
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A phone call telling his lawyer to get the long form bc is what he eventually did. He should have done it earlier.
 
Bob001 said:
A phone call telling his lawyer to get the long form bc is what he eventually did. He should have done it earlier.
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Because, as we can clearly see, jumping through the previous hoops of providing his birth certificate was believed, just as his long form certificate was accepted by those howling for it. Or...the idea that by acquiescing to the demands of the ODS sufferers, he could stop any further demands is wrong.
 
16.5 said:
The obvious response would be: why in the hell did it take you so long, why didn't you just release them in the first place instead of your infantile excuses.

However, lets all get on the same page:

WE DEMAND THAT ALL CANDIDATES IMMEDIATELY RELEASE TRANSCRIPTS OF THEIR PAID SPEECHES.

Who else is with me?
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Teh Donald would likely say "if you can do without my magnificent presence, you can get the eBook for $5.57 at amazon, cheapo".
 
Sad to see some "progressive" Sanders supporters pretty much carrying the water for Donald Trump.
 
Dog Town said:
Saw this coming miles away!
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Hillary Town Hall in March:

“We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business”

Hillary yesterday:

I don’t know how to explain it other than what I said was totally out of context from what I meant, because I’ve been talking about helping coal country for a very long time"

“And it was a misstatement, because what I was saying is that the way things are going now, we will continue to lose jobs.”

“I didn’t mean that we were going to do it, what I said was, that is going to happen unless we take action to try to and help and prevent it”

Way to spin!
 
Axiom_Blade said:
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Oddly enough, I watched one of the Republican debates, and I found myself agreeing with Trump a lot of the time. ...
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Of course you agree with him. It's easy to describe the problems.

The problem comes from believing he can actually fix those problems by simply asserting how great he is.
 
Bob001 said:
... Nevertheless, Obama allowed the badgering to go on when he could have shut it down with a phone call. Refusing to respond earlier hurt him a lot.
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If you are talking about the Birther nuts, the State of HI did release Obama's birth certificate early on. Then the Birthers decided it wasn't real and insisted on the form that had the actual doctor's signature on it. Later on the so called, 'long form' was released and that wasn't enough either.
 
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