High School Stabbings

[LTC8K6]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/09/world/americas/toronto-office-stabbings/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

It's spreading...

 

[Autolite]

Like others here, I don't know what happened, but I do know that it confirms my views on weapons.

Perhaps you could enlighten me reference your "views on weapons".

Here in Canada, a "weapon" is legally defined as anything used as such and an "assault" is legally defined as any unwanted physical contact.

If you touched my elbow with a soggy Q-Tip (Reg. TM), and I objected to that physical contact, technically you perpetrated "assault with a weapon".

What are your views on this specifically???

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I see the pro-gun folks are still reluctant to admit the lack of fatalities and lack of missing chunks of survivor's brains here is significant.

 

[ABC10]

I see the pro-gun folks are still reluctant to admit the lack of fatalities and lack of missing chunks of survivor's brains here is significant.

I'm sticking with the Founders and the 2nd Amendment for the "right of the people to keep and bear arms...".

 

[This is The End]

I see the pro-gun folks are still reluctant to admit the lack of fatalities and lack of missing chunks of survivor's brains here is significant.

What does that have to do with anything??

Have you seen what happens when you drive a car at 80 MPH into a large group of people?

How about we leave the comparing of pro's and con's to things that actually deserve it, like nuclear and chemical weapons.

 

[gabeygoat]

What does that have to do with anything??



Have you seen what happens when you drive a car at 80 MPH into a large group of people?



How about we leave the comparing of pro's and con's to things that actually deserve it, like nuclear and chemical weapons.

Cars are registered, and people are licensed. And insured. And Regulated

 

[Cain]

Perhaps you could enlighten me reference your "views on weapons".

Here in Canada, a "weapon" is legally defined as anything used as such and an "assault" is legally defined as any unwanted physical contact.

If you touched my elbow with a soggy Q-Tip (Reg. TM), and I objected to that physical contact, technically you perpetrated "assault with a weapon".

What are your views on this specifically???

They're probably very similar to PhantomWolf, so direct your queries to him (and don't let him give you the run-around.

It's understandable that a single event will not change anyone's mind. I will also say one side in this debate seems principally committed to reducing violence, while the other side seems principally committed to upholding their individual right to own weapons.

 

[Arcade22]

According to Dan Stevens, the county deputy emergency management coordinator, Hribal had a very minor Facebook presence and didn't have much experience on Twitter. He is not believed to have had a cell phone.

I'd say the government should require everyone to have a facebook and twitter account and be active at least once a week. For precautionary purposes of course.

 

[Megalodon]

If you touched my elbow with a soggy Q-Tip (Reg. TM), and I objected to that physical contact, technically you perpetrated "assault with a weapon".

Is that like when you claimed that germans banned black rifles because they look scary? Because it seems like the same kind of description of an alternate reality.

 

[Autolite]

Is that like when you claimed that germans banned black rifles because they look scary? Because it seems like the same kind of description of an alternate reality.

Don't mess with me!

I've got a whole carton of soggy Q-Tips and I'm not afraid to use them!

(Oops! Perhaps I shouldn't have said that. The RCMP just rolled into my driveway...)

 

[Megalodon]

*puts fins up and backs away slowly*

 

[RenaissanceBiker]

This ^

No need to ban knives but clearly the lack of a gun made a difference here.

So did the lack of machetes, chainsaws and baseball bats. Pssst, your agenda is showing.

 

[Polaris]

Is that like when you claimed that germans banned black rifles because they look scary? Because it seems like the same kind of description of an alternate reality.

Well, they did shut down their nuclear power plants because reasons. Germans aren't above irrational actions due to phobias.

 

[Spindrift]

I'm sticking with the Founders and the 2nd Amendment for the "right of the people to keep and bear arms...".

Are you also sticking with the arms the Founders had?

 

[Mudcat]

So did the lack of machetes, chainsaws and baseball bats.

Here's a fact for you, people are more likely to survive a knife wound then they are a gunshot wound. Care to share your thoughts on that?

Here's another fact, if I had access to the same exact knife to the kid had there could be at least a dozen things I could do with it that have nothing to do with stabbing a single living thing. Guns have no such utility. Care to share your thoughts on that?

Here's another fact, there are vastly more knife owners then there are gun owners. I think it's safe to say it would be a rarity to come acros a single household without at least one knife in it. And yet, despite being a minority, gun ownership contributes to the vast majority of violent deaths and crime in the country. Care to share your thoughts on that?

Gun collecting, the only hobby which people try to justify owning an item that contributes to more deaths per year in the country than in an active war zone in the third world.

Pssst, your agenda is showing.

As is yours.

 

[12AX7]

I see the pro-gun folks are still reluctant to admit the lack of fatalities and lack of missing chunks of survivor's brains here is significant.

This.

Strangely silent from the gunnutters I see. In the wake of a mass shooting, the gunnutters are the first to put forth the argument that crazy, violent people will use *any* weapon to harm others. Gunnutters often fail to see the difference in lethality between, say, a knife cuttng spree and a gun shooting spree.

But, no matter. Arguing with gunnutters is like trying to nail a sheet of Jell-O to the wall.

 

[Ziggurat]

Here's a fact for you, people are more likely to survive a knife wound then they are a gunshot wound. Care to share your thoughts on that?

For essentially the same reason, knives are also far less effective than guns for personal defense.

Here's another fact, if I had access to the same exact knife to the kid had there could be at least a dozen things I could do with it that have nothing to do with stabbing a single living thing. Guns have no such utility. Care to share your thoughts on that?

My thoughts are that this metric is both wrong and irrelevant. First, plenty of people do target shooting with guns where the targets are not living things, and they do it purely for the pleasure. Second, why is "living things" your standard? Do you consider hunting to be immoral? I don't. And third, even if nobody used guns for target shooting or hunting, self-defense is still a legitimate use.

Here's another fact, there are vastly more knife owners then there are gun owners. I think it's safe to say it would be a rarity to come acros a single household without at least one knife in it. And yet, despite being a minority, gun ownership contributes to the vast majority of violent deaths and crime in the country. Care to share your thoughts on that?

My thoughts? You're inventing "facts" which simply aren't true. Firearms are used in the majority of homicides (but it's not a "vast" majority), but they are NOT used in the majority of robberies or assaults (which are far more common than homicides). In fact, the most common weapon used in assaults is the human body itself.

Gun collecting, the only hobby which people try to justify owning an item that contributes to more deaths per year in the country than in an active war zone in the third world.

Did you make up that fact too?

As is yours.

I don't mind that you've got an agenda. I do mind that you've telling lies to advance it.

 

[Cleon]

Well, they did shut down their nuclear power plants because reasons. Germans aren't above irrational actions due to phobias.

IIRC it was after Fukushima. Because you never know when Berlin will get hit with a cataclysmic earthquake followed by a massive tsunami.

 

[Megalodon]

Well, they did shut down their nuclear power plants because reasons. Germans aren't above irrational actions due to phobias.

What does that have to do with the post you quoted, or the post it was responding to?

 

[RenaissanceBiker]

This.

Strangely silent from the gunnutters I see. In the wake of a mass shooting, the gunnutters are the first to put forth the argument that crazy, violent people will use *any* weapon to harm others.

What I find strange is that anti-gun "nutters" are using a tragic event in which no guns were used to attack "gun nutters." As soon as you say "If he had used a gun ..." you enter your own fantasy land of irrational arguements. You don't really know what he would have done if he had used a gun. It is pure speculation on your part. You might as well say, "If someone had given him a hug that morning ..."

Gunnutters often fail to see the difference in lethality between, say, a knife cuttng spree and a gun shooting spree.

No, we don't. We probably see the difference even better than you. Bombs are more lethal than guns. Guns are more lethal than knives. Knives are more lethal than spoons. Spoons are more lethal than bendy plastic drinking straws. We just see the irrationality of banning tools that have perfectly legal and moral uses.

But, no matter. Arguing with gunnutters is like trying to nail a sheet of Jell-O to the wall.

The easiest way to hate someone is to dehumanize them first.