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He's killing his own people

Captain.Sassy

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When will we see this headline leveled against Karzai?

Kghquadhafi, Assad, Hussein, Ahmedinejad... they all "killed their own people" when they responded with force to put down violent protests.

So far I haven't seen this phrase used against Karzai.

Surely just a matter of time, amirite?
 
When will we see this headline leveled against Karzai?

Kghquadhafi, Assad, Hussein, Ahmedinejad... they all "killed their own people" when they responded with force to put down violent protests.

So far I haven't seen this phrase used against Karzai.

Surely just a matter of time, amirite?


Could you just get to the part where the Zionists did 9/11?
 
So you guys are saying it's conspiratorial of me to think that Western clients and Western rivals are portrayed differently by Western media, other things being equal?
 
So you guys are saying it's conspiratorial of me to think that Western clients and Western rivals are portrayed differently by Western media, other things being equal?

I can't speak for the other "guys", each of whom seem to have their own dismissive take on the idea you've presented.

Me? I'm saying that you're making this anomaly (if such it is) out to be waaay more meaningful and significant than it actually is. This is conspiracy-theoretical.

And I'm saying that you keep asserting that this anomaly is real, without any evidence, which is conspiracy-theoretical. What's worse, you're essentially asserting a negative, for which you can't provide evidence. This is also conspiracy-theoretical.

And finally, I'm saying that you're lumping a very broad and diverse array of interests ("Western media"? Really?) all together as a single homogenous whole, and then making these conspiracy-theoretical assertions about the whole. This is very conspiracy-theoretical.

I doubt you can show even a single "Western media" organization or outlet that shares your conception of "Western clients" and "Western rivals", and I doubt that you can find one that shows a pattern of portrayal that is consistent with your claims. At least, not without demanding that subjective interpretations be accepted as objective fact, and not without latching onto every perceived anomaly you can find, and insisting that it's really really really significant somehow.

But really, I just think that this idea of the significance of a particular headline's wording isn't as important as you make it out to be. So you think you found an anomaly; so what?
 
So you guys are saying it's conspiratorial of me to think that Western clients and Western rivals are portrayed differently by Western media, other things being equal?

Not what I was saying. Just that I reserve judgement until the time it happens and I have more to go on than gut feelings.
 
I can't speak for the other "guys", each of whom seem to have their own dismissive take on the idea you've presented.

Me? I'm saying that you're making this anomaly (if such it is) out to be waaay more meaningful and significant than it actually is. This is conspiracy-theoretical.

And I'm saying that you keep asserting that this anomaly is real, without any evidence, which is conspiracy-theoretical. What's worse, you're essentially asserting a negative, for which you can't provide evidence. This is also conspiracy-theoretical.

And finally, I'm saying that you're lumping a very broad and diverse array of interests ("Western media"? Really?) all together as a single homogenous whole, and then making these conspiracy-theoretical assertions about the whole. This is very conspiracy-theoretical.

I doubt you can show even a single "Western media" organization or outlet that shares your conception of "Western clients" and "Western rivals", and I doubt that you can find one that shows a pattern of portrayal that is consistent with your claims. At least, not without demanding that subjective interpretations be accepted as objective fact, and not without latching onto every perceived anomaly you can find, and insisting that it's really really really significant somehow.

But really, I just think that this idea of the significance of a particular headline's wording isn't as important as you make it out to be. So you think you found an anomaly; so what?


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Nothing to see here:

Massive anti-government protest in Bahrain
By Tom Eley
10 March 2012

Tens of thousands of Bahrainis demonstrated near the capital city of Manama against the country’s pro-US monarchist regime on Friday. The demonstration comes one year after a series of protests in the small Gulf sheikdom were ruthlessly crushed by the government, backed by forces from neighboring Saudi Arabia. [...]

Bahrain, a major oil and gas producer, is home to the US Navy’s Fifth Fleet. On the southwestern flank of the Persian Gulf, the base would be critical for any US military operation against Iran.

A Reuters photographer told Al Jazeera that the demonstration, which stretched for miles on a central road leading to Manama, “could be over 100,000.” If so, the protest would involve nearly 10 percent of the country’s population of 1.2 million. Organizers said they expected as many as 200,000 to participate. [...]

Friday’s demonstration was officially called by a leading Shiite cleric, Sheikh Isa Qass, and the Shiite group al Wefaq, which favors compromise with the regime and, according to one account, “wants to show that it still dominated the opposition.” However, a different mood among the masses was illustrated by the demonstration’s chants and banners, which included prominently the slogan “No dialogue with the killers!” [...]
 
Uhm, the fifth Navy fleet is right there, Regime change would be a matter of half an hour.

I'm not exactly sure why the Fifth Fleet should support cutting the bough they sit so to speak. And the Arab Spring hasn't exactly resulted in more open or liberal societies. Which doesn't suggest Bahrain would be better off.
 
Uhm, the fifth Navy fleet is right there, Regime change would be a matter of half an hour.

Rather longer I'm afraid. Some of the Pakistanis they've got can actualy fight. And once you've killed them all then what?
 
Rather longer I'm afraid. Some of the Pakistanis they've got can actualy fight. And once you've killed them all then what?


You and you war thoughts. Obama would simply have to prepare a statement and maybe do a phonecall.

Dear King Al-Whatsyourname,

we are fed up with you killing your own people right in front of our eyes. It makes us look like hypocrites and we hate stinking monarchies anyway, we are the beacon of freedumb and democracy. So, I give you 60 days to organize free and fair elections and reform your regime into at least something like the funny brits have. I'll have tea with you any time after that, like I have with Lizzy. If you fail to comply, we will do the organizing.

Yours truely,
Barack
 
You and you war thoughts. Obama would simply have to prepare a statement and maybe do a phonecall.

Dear King Al-Whatsyourname,

we are fed up with you killing your own people right in front of our eyes. It makes us look like hypocrites and we hate stinking monarchies anyway, we are the beacon of freedumb and democracy. So, I give you 60 days to organize free and fair elections and reform your regime into at least something like the funny brits have. I'll have tea with you any time after that, like I have with Lizzy. If you fail to comply, we will do the organizing.

Yours truely,
Barack


Dear President

Didn't you learn from the last attempts to enforce democracy or the last oil embargo?

yours etc

King Abdullah
 
Still no news of casualties from Bahrain.

This proves that Bahrain's got it relatively under control, and there's no need to have international outrage and sanctions at this point.
 

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