Herman Cain leads by 20 points!

[mhaze]

Are you paying attention at all? Romney is not getting a free pass from the media. Far from it. It is true, however, that he has not inserted his foot in his mouth as deeply as some of the other GOP candidates, so is not as interesting to newsmen.

He's not only getting a free pass from the media, he's getting a free pass on JREF. That's rather astonishing.

Consider for example the endless inuendo against Palin (without any basis) that she was a religious kook. Same for Perry.

Romney is a real, live religious kook, having spent 2 or 3 years with the "Mormon missionaries" in France in his youth, and rising to lead that organization, with more conversions than ever before.

Yet this is never mentioned, let alone in the negative. This pretty much defines a "free pass". Let's have a bit of honesty here, okay?w

PS: I'm NOT interested in a derail about Romney and religion. I'm only responding to this assertion that "Romney hasn't been given a free pass" with comparable factors.

 

[Spindrift]

He's not only getting a free pass from the media, he's getting a free pass on JREF. That's rather astonishing.

Consider for example the endless inuendo against Palin (without any basis) that she was a religious kook. Same for Perry.

Romney is a real, live religious kook, having spent 2 or 3 years with the "Mormon missionaries" in France in his youth, and rising to lead that organization, with more conversions than ever before.

Yet this is never mentioned, let alone in the negative. This pretty much defines a "free pass". Let's have a bit of honesty here, okay?

Every Mormon is supposed to do a 2 year stint as a missionary. It's not like only the zealous ones do it. I haven't seen Romney flaunting his religion like others do. He does seem to separate church and state, something that a lot of his opponents seem to want to do away with.

ETA: I've met some Mormon missionaries and they are the least annoying of those trying to peddle their drivel.

 

[leftysergeant]

He's not only getting a free pass from the media, he's getting a free pass on JREF. That's rather astonishing.

Those of us who lean a bit left of center will still not vote for the bleedin drongo because he has made so much money creating the finacial disaster that is now going on. That he is bad for America because of his whacked-out eccon omic superstitons. Those superstitions are fair game, because they dictate how he will govern. He has shown no sign that he would govern according to his religious beliefs, or that he is running for POTUS in pursuit of a religious aggenda.

Consider for example the endless inuendo against Palin (without any basis) that she was a religious kook. Same for Perry.

They and the pizza dude have at times declared that God inspired them to run for office. Their religious superstitions are relevant.

 

[Tricky]

Romney is a real, live religious kook, having spent 2 or 3 years with the "Mormon missionaries" in France in his youth, and rising to lead that organization, with more conversions than ever before.

Since you filter every comment you make through a poisonous filter of hatred for Judaism, I really don't consider you qualified to judge what constitutes a religious kook.

Romney does not make religion part of his campaign. Cain does. Perry does. Santorum does. Palin did. Kookery is based on how much a person claims to be supported by God, and I've never heard Romney say anything of that nature.

 

[Kay]

He's not only getting a free pass from the media, he's getting a free pass on JREF. That's rather astonishing.

Consider for example the endless inuendo against Palin (without any basis) that she was a religious kook. Same for Perry.

Romney is a real, live religious kook, having spent 2 or 3 years with the "Mormon missionaries" in France in his youth, and rising to lead that organization, with more conversions than ever before.

Yet this is never mentioned, let alone in the negative. This pretty much defines a "free pass". Let's have a bit of honesty here, okay?w

PS: I'm NOT interested in a derail about Romney and religion. I'm only responding to this assertion that "Romney hasn't been given a free pass" with comparable factors.

Doing missionary work makes you a religious kook now?

I have a friend who's a Mormon. He spent the last two years in Switzerland. They all do it. I have another friend, who's not a Mormon, but spent this summer in Japan trying to convert people to whatever Christian faith he believes. They're devoted to their faith, but there's a difference between that, and being a religious nutjob. See: Bachmann, Michelle.

By your standards, it's like saying a guy who goes to church every week is a religious kook.

 

[Chaos]

Since you filter every comment you make through a poisonous filter of hatred for Judaism, I really don't consider you qualified to judge what constitutes a religious kook.

That´s MaGZ who hates the Jews. Mhaze hates everyone who isn´t a hardcore right-winger. Big difference.

 

[Bri]

Herman Cain on why he doesn't need to know much about foreign policy:

You don't need to know the details of foreign policy to be a good commander-in-chief. Do you really believe that? Yes! Who knows every detail of every country or every situation on the planet? Nobody!

...

We need a leader, not a reader.​

Yes, he actually said "We need a leader, not a reader."



Apparently, he's now taking his campaign strategy from The Simpsons...



-Bri

 

[Tricky]

Since you filter every comment you make through a poisonous filter of hatred for Judaism, I really don't consider you qualified to judge what constitutes a religious kook.

Romney does not make religion part of his campaign. Cain does. Perry does. Santorum does. Palin did. Kookery is based on how much a person claims to be supported by God, and I've never heard Romney say anything of that nature.

That´s MaGZ who hates the Jews. Mhaze hates everyone who isn´t a hardcore right-winger. Big difference.

Ah. You are correct. Please disregard the above comment and accept my apologies, Mhaze. Thank you for catching that, Chaos.

 

[Chaos]

The "Big difference" part was actually supposed to be sarcastic. Not that I´m drawing any parallels between the two posters, but... well...

 

[MaGZ]

He's not only getting a free pass from the media, he's getting a free pass on JREF. That's rather astonishing.

Consider for example the endless inuendo against Palin (without any basis) that she was a religious kook. Same for Perry.

Romney is a real, live religious kook, having spent 2 or 3 years with the "Mormon missionaries" in France in his youth, and rising to lead that organization, with more conversions than ever before.

Yet this is never mentioned, let alone in the negative. This pretty much defines a "free pass". Let's have a bit of honesty here, okay?w

PS: I'm NOT interested in a derail about Romney and religion. I'm only responding to this assertion that "Romney hasn't been given a free pass" with comparable factors.

We really don’t know how seriously Romney takes his religion. Some people are just born into a faith and stick with it. Palin and Bachmann have demonstrated they are over the edge. I think there is a difference.

 

[MaGZ]

Herman Cain on why he doesn't need to know much about foreign policy:

You don't need to know the details of foreign policy to be a good commander-in-chief. Do you really believe that? Yes! Who knows every detail of every country or every situation on the planet? Nobody!

...

We need a leader, not a reader.
​

Yes, he actually said "We need a leader, not a reader."



Apparently, he's now taking his campaign strategy from The Simpsons...



-Bri

No Kindle Fire for Cain this Christmas.

 

[leftysergeant]

We really don’t know how seriously Romney takes his religion. Some people are just born into a faith and stick with it. Palin and Bachmann have demonstrated they are over the edge. I think there is a difference.

Yike! You got one right.

 

[mhaze]

Since you filter every comment you make through a poisonous filter of hatred for Judaism....

You are thinking of someone else.

Every Mormon is supposed to do a 2 year stint as a missionary. It's not like only the zealous ones do it. I haven't seen Romney flaunting his religion like others do. He does seem to separate church and state, something that a lot of his opponents seem to want to do away with.

ETA: I've met some Mormon missionaries and they are the least annoying of those trying to peddle their drivel.

Doesn't matter.

The question was not whether Mormons are annoying,or are supposed to do a missionary thing.

It was whether Romney gets a free pass. And he is, and he does. There is no way to rationalize that, because the free pass is not based on facts, but on who is going to be smeared for political reasons. And Romney's not, hence he has gotten a free pass.

I only sought to indicate that as LEADER of the missionary group in France, and as (today) essentially the equal of a bishop or arch bishop in the Mormon hierarchy, Romney, in fact, qualifies as a nutcase religious wacko according to the prevailing sentiments and often expressed attitudes of the JREF forum.

Has nothing to do with MY attitudes, which simply are to disregard religion entirely in looking at political candidates.

Romney thanks you for his Free Pass.

 

[noch1Narr]

Tricky and Chaos: thank you for your posts 568 and 566!

 

[mhaze]

We really don’t know how seriously Romney takes his religion. Some people are just born into a faith and stick with it. Palin and Bachmann have demonstrated they are over the edge. I think there is a difference.

All you need do is simply look up Romney to figure this out. So the difference - which you've noted - is in who you decided to "look up" and thus....

Who you decided to give a free pass to.

Romney thanks you kindly!

 

[mhaze]

That´s MaGZ who hates the Jews. Mhaze hates everyone who isn´t a hardcore right-winger. Big difference.

Still wronger than wrong.

I'm just not a hater. But I understand the difficulties that haters have in recognizing non-haters.

 

[TimCallahan]

looking here at the average of the various polls, I see that Gingrich is now in the #2 spot, while Cain is dropping. Perhaps he'll turn out to be as much of a flash in the pan as Perry:

Romney: 22.0%
Gingrich: 21.6
Cain 18.6
Perry 8.2
Paul 7.8
Bachmann 5.4
Huntsman 2.2
Santorum 1.8
undecided (by implication) 13.4

What I find most appalling is that Bachmann has actually gained some points.

 

[mhaze]

looking here at the average of the various polls, I see that Gingrich is now in the #2 spot, while Cain is dropping. Perhaps he'll turn out to be as much of a flash in the pan as Perry:

Romney: 22.0%
Gingrich: 21.6
Cain 18.6
Perry 8.2
Paul 7.8
Bachmann 5.4
Huntsman 2.2
Santorum 1.8
undecided (by implication) 13.4

What I find most appalling is that Bachmann has actually gained some points.

What this doesn't show is that we are likely to wind up with something like

Romney and (hand picked bunch of people, some VP, etc)
Gingrich or Cain or Perry and (Ginrich and Cain and Perry etc)

Big difference in results, big difference in voting appeal.

 

[TimCallahan]

What this doesn't show is that we are likely to wind up with something like

Romney and (hand picked bunch of people, some VP, etc)
Gingrich or Cain or Perry and (Ginrich and Cain and Perry etc)

Big difference in results, big difference in voting appeal.

I don't have a dog in this fight. So what is your preference? Also, which combination do you feel has the greatest voting appeal?

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

We really don’t know how seriously Romney takes his religion.

Because he has no record in government? Or because you would expect him to suddenly start taking orders from the Angel Moroni if he's elected POTUS?

I think we have a pretty good idea that Romney would be pretty mainstream as far as the extent to which he lets his religion inform his political decisions. (Actually probably a bit more secular than most of the GOP candidates these days.)