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Here is one rescue worker who was "in on it"

Beach, he's describing this:
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"Well, if it walks like a duck..."

And the funny part being that it doesn't even remotely look like a duck. Unless of course one is wearing duck goggles that make everything look like ducks.

How much do you suppose the resecue worker was paid by the diabolical perps to go down and standin the collapse area when the buildings were collapsing? I mean forgetting the fact that pretty much everyone here would be the first to volunteer to go stand next to some collapsing buildings just for sport, what do you suppose the motivation of the worker in the OP was?
 
Red, the issue here seems not to be if "explosions" were heard, but when they were heard and what they sounded like. Considering the fact that every controlled demolition is preceded by a large number of concurrent bangs or explosions, can you point to any video where we can hear these CD-like explosions?

A few pops and bangs prior to the collapse doesn't prove a CD. They have to be at the right time and sequence to be causal.
 
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Tomblvd said:
Red, the issue here seems not to be if "explosions" were heard, but when they were heard and what they sounded like. Considering the fact that every controlled demolition is preceded by a large number of concurrent bangs or explosions, can you point to any video where we can hear these CD-like explosions?

A few pops and bangs prior to the collapse doesn't prove a CD. They have to be at the right time and sequence to be causal.
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My point was not whether these sounds were captured on video. My point is that many FDNY personnel described what they saw and heard as being consistent with CD.
 
that is your words. not theirs, Red. You still have a problem with similes
 
RedIbis said:
My point is that many FDNY personnel described what they saw and heard as being consistent with CD.
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No, they didn't. That's the spin you put on it.

None of those guys think they heard demo charges that day.
 
Arus808 said:
that is your words. not theirs, Red. You still have a problem with similes
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I don't have any problem with similes. Nearly any eyewitness interview is going to include them.

You have a problem with the specificity of these accounts. If the entire underpinning of this debate is that these people used the word "like", you must have no idea how overused that word is in common language. Talk about semantics.
 
RedIbis said:
I don't have any problem with similes. Nearly any eyewitness interview is going to include them.

You have a problem with the specificity of these accounts. If the entire underpinning of this debate is that these people used the word "like", you must have no idea how overused that word is in common language. Talk about semantics.
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So, then, there must be a firefighter who swallows the fantasy movement's snake oil. Who might that perosn be?
 
WildCat said:
No, they didn't. That's the spin you put on it.

None of those guys think they heard demo charges that day.
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I'll bite in hopes that this is the last time I have to explain this. None of those guys could possibly be in a position to determine the origin of what they saw and heard, unless a thorough investigation was conducted immediately.

Instead, the emphasis should be squarely focused on how they initially responded, the specifics of what they saw and heard, like this:

FF Richard Banaciski:

"[T]here was just an explosion. It seemed like on television [when] they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions."

That sounds pretty symetrical.
 
pomeroo said:
So, then, there must be a firefighter who swallows the fantasy movement's snake oil. Who might that perosn be?
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Ron, without rancor, try and answer this question:

Why did so many FDNY personnel (not that we have to limit the accounts to them) initially think that bombs, secondary devices, or other explosive devices were in the towers and what they were seeing was the result of controlled demolition?

For just a moment, let's forget about what they later did or didn't come to believe (I've yet to see a thorough list of accounts all of which dismiss any alternative explanation) and focus on what they initially thought.
 
RedIbis said:
Ron, without rancor, try and answer this question:

Why did so many FDNY personnel (not that we have to limit the accounts to them) initially think that bombs, secondary devices, or other explosive devices were in the towers and what they were seeing was the result of controlled demolition?

For just a moment, let's forget about what they later did or didn't come to believe (I've yet to see a thorough list of accounts all of which dismiss any alternative explanation) and focus on what they initially thought.
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I and several other posters here have complimented you on being a cut above the typical twoofer. Why do you ask a question that invites people to assume disingenuousness on your part? You understand--surely you do--that EVERYONE on the scene became aware that a terrorist attack had taken place and ALL explosions were likely to be interpreted as part of that attack. If I were standing nearby and I heard something blow up in the fires, I would report hearing a "bomb" go off. With time to reflect, and with the advantage of knowing what investigators had discovered, I would realize that I had not heard an actual bomb, but something characteristic of all large office fires.

It is with considerable exasperation that I and others continually find ourselves asking you, Just whom do you think you're kidding?
 
RedIbis said:
My point was not whether these sounds were captured on video. My point is that many FDNY personnel described what they saw and heard as being consistent with CD.
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No, they said they heard "explosions".

NOBODY that day said they heard explosions that were "consistent with CD".

NOBODY.
 
RedIbis said:
You sure about that?
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That's begging the question, I honestly don't know how to make anything clearer. Usually people don't have planes crashing into buildings.. Therefore people in the area might initially have assume that they were bombs causing the explosions.... the confusion between 'plane', 'explosions', and 'explosives' in a situation like that seems like it'd be a well expected reaction by people who were there.

Some personel weren't even aware that a plane hit initially... so the next thing they associated the noises with was bombs... but association as we all have been telling you time and time again does not always equate to bombs or a CD... you kep taking the stuff out of context and too literally... intentionally or not...
 
It's amazing Red just completely ignored my question on whether or not he talked to any of these firefighters.

Something tells me he knows he's lying and doesn't want to verify it.
 
MarkyX said:
It's amazing Red just completely ignored my question on whether or not he talked to any of these firefighters.

Something tells me he knows he's lying and doesn't want to verify it.
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I asked the same question in post #415, also ignored.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
That's begging the question, I honestly don't know how to make anything clearer. Usually people don't have planes crashing into buildings.. Therefore people in the area might initially have assume that they were bombs causing the explosions.... the confusion between 'plane', 'explosions', and 'explosives' in a situation like that seems like it'd be a well expected reaction by people who were there.

Some personel weren't even aware that a plane hit initially... so the next thing they associated the noises with was bombs... but association as we all have been telling you time and time again does not always equate to bombs or a CD... you kep taking the stuff out of context and too literally... intentionally or not...
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This makes absolutely no sense since we're talking about reports of explosions that occur just before collapse, either 56 or 110 minutes after impact. How could anyone possibly confuse the two?
 
MarkyX said:
It's amazing Red just completely ignored my question on whether or not he talked to any of these firefighters.

Something tells me he knows he's lying and doesn't want to verify it.
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This gambit has nothing to do with widely available initial accounts.
 
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