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Here Comes Huckabee on the Outside!

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Mike Huckabee has come from nowhere to surge into 2nd place in two recent national polls. In Iowa, he's first. This is very bad for Romney in particular, because he appeals to social conservatives and especially evangelicals, which is an important demographic Romney was courting.

Clarence Page is calling it a "David-versus-Goliath story" since Huckabee hasn't had nearly as much funds as Romney to get his message out.

It warms the heart to see that a small-state governor can still rise up like Democratic Gov. Jimmy Carter of Georgia did in 1976 to beat the big-name, big-money candidates from bigger states.

Like Carter, Huckabee appears to have found his votes or, more accurately, his votes have found him. Conservative evangelicals are starting to gravitate toward Huckabee, an ordained Baptist minister.

For voters who have not made up their minds by now, policies and issues often play a less important role than the visceral good-feelings factors: Who's more "likable?" To whom can I "relate" more easily?

Who woulda thought that Walker, Texas Ranger would have such pull? Gotta give props to corplinx for being the first one to call it. Post hoc ergo promptor hoc? Or just a coincidence?
 
Clarence Page said:
The former Arkansas governor's recent surge in Iowa polls has wiped the smile from his fellow Republican presidential candidates' lips.
My thought: we don't need another Arkansas governor in the White House.

Strike one.
Of the likely Republican caucusgoers surveyed, Huckabee scored 29 percent, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney scored 24 percent and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani scored 13 percent.
Grist for the media and hype mills, it's early yet. Ball one.
Like Carter, Huckabee appears to have found his votes or, more accurately, his votes have found him. Conservative evangelicals are starting to gravitate toward Huckabee, an ordained Baptist minister.
A guy who has mixed, in his professional life, both religion and politics successfully. Not convinced that what sells in Little Rock will sell in 49 other state capitals. Ball two, just missed the corner.
Huckabee's the kind of guy who a lot of people would like to go to prayer meetings with. Conservative evangelicals have played a critical role in Republican successes in recent years, especially for President Bush, who proudly put himself forth in 2000 as one of their own.
As if anyone hadn't noticed . . . :rolleyes: (Pitcher stepped off the mound to grab package and spit.)
As a minister and politician, Huckabee has actually counseled and worked with poor and working-class families.
What else has he done? (Pitcher goes into stretch.)
He's thrown down a gauntlet against the budget-slashers who want to cut services to the poor as a first resort, not the last.
Seems a reasonable position. (Stolen Base!)
He also was a courageous voice of reason amid the anti-immigrant feeding frenzy during the latest GOP debate. We should not punish the children of illegal immigrants, he correctly argued, for something that their parents did.
Ah, it's OK to illegally immigrate, since "it's for the children." Sorry, that dog won't hunt.

Strike Two.
Unfortunately, part of Huckabee's support appears to be coming his way for a very troubling reason: religious bias. Romney, as everyone must know by now, is a Mormon. For months, polls have shown Romney's religion to be a bigger handicap for him with voters than Hillary Rodham Clinton's gender or Barack Obama's race. I attribute that gap to the public's widespread ignorance about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Christopher Hitchens would be so proud. (Manager walks to mound. More spitting.)
I have heard respectable Christian ministers declare on national television that Mormons are not members of a "religion" but of a "cult." That erroneous put-down reminds me of author Tom Wolfe's observation: A "cult" is a religion that lacks political clout
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Wolfe seems to have that one figured out. (Pitcher and catcher converse.)
We don't need to see any more sectarian divisions in American politics. We've seen too much ugliness from race cards, religion cards, ethnicity cards and gender cards already.
You are right, Clarence, but I suspect we'll get it, anyway, since confrontation seems to sell. Ever heard of Code Pink? Sure you have. Why? Confrontational style.

Ball three.
In beating back the demon of religious prejudice, Huckabee should give Romney help, not for the sake of either of their campaigns, but for the good of our country.
That is as likely to happen as observant Muslims eating bacon with their eggs and scallops for brunch, all washed down with champagne.

Strike three, he's outta there.

DR
 
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Huckabee's Willie Horton problem will probably cause him some trouble.
From the link.
In 1996, as a newly elected governor who had received strong support from the Christian right, Huckabee was under intense pressure from conservative activists to pardon Dumond or commute his sentence. The activists claimed that Dumond's initial imprisonment and various other travails were due to the fact that Ashley Stevens, the high school cheerleader he had raped, was a distant cousin of Bill Clinton, and the daughter of a major Clinton campaign contributor.

The case for Dumond's innocence was championed in Arkansas by Jay Cole, a Baptist minister and radio host who was a close friend of the Huckabee family. It also became a cause for New York Post columnist Steve Dunleavy, who repeatedly argued for Dumond's release, calling his conviction "a travesty of justice." On Sept. 21, 1999, Dunleavy wrote a column headlined "Clinton's Biggest Crime - Left Innocent Man In Jail For 14 Years":

Nice. Real quality people.

Daredelvis
 
Huckabee's Willie Horton problem will probably cause him some trouble.

Oh, boy. That could indeed be a problem.

It also became a cause for New York Post columnist Steve Dunleavy, who repeatedly argued for Dumond's release, calling his conviction "a travesty of justice." On Sept. 21, 1999, Dunleavy wrote a column headlined "Clinton's Biggest Crime - Left Innocent Man In Jail For 14 Years"

What a slimebag. :mad: This was an attempt to smear Clinton? :mad:
 
The rapist story continues to get worse:

Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee made a rare personal appeal to release a convicted rapist from prison, a former top aide to the GOP presidential hopeful confirmed to ABC News.

Butch Reeves, formerly the criminal justice counsel to the Arkansas governor's office, handled all requests for clemencies and communications with prisoners.

His account of a key 1996 meeting between then-Gov. Huckabee and the state parole board largely supports an earlier version of the meeting by former board member Charles Chastain. It contrasts with Huckabee's position that he did not pressure the board.

This is one of those stories that both the conservative media will push (because of the soft on crime angle) and the liberal media will push (because of the Clinton angle). The Mike Huckabee boomlet seems to be over.
 
I'm still trying to figure out why so many people wanted to release this guy?
Wikipedia says that there was "a groundswell of public support" for his release. Why? Was he "born again"?
Neither the HuffPo article nor the ABC one say anything about his religion, although apparntly "conservative activists" wanted him released. Usually we think of conservatives as "tough on crime" but not in this case.
 
Mike Huckabee’s Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

Apparantly he hadn't heard about the new NIE either. A little distracted perhaps?

To misquote Ross Perot (On Bill Clinton): (paraphrase)

If your credentials for being President of the US is that you were governor of Arkansas, that is irrelevant. The Mayor of Chicago has ten time the population and a tougher job.

So, Huckabeery Finn, are you convinced that Little Rock was a good prep for Washington?

DR
 
I'm still trying to figure out why so many people wanted to release this guy?
Wikipedia says that there was "a groundswell of public support" for his release.

Quite likely it was a reaction to the Clinton stories going around at the time (particularly the Juanita Broderrick story). The notion was that Clinton was the real rapist and Dumond was a victim of Arkansas because he'd gotten on the wrong side of a Clinton cousin. Remember, Clinton was the embodiment of evil at that time to much of the right wing, so it was easy to sell that narrative. If Dumond had killed that Clinton cousin and then been executed, he'd be on the Clinton "death list".

BTW, I believed at least some of the charges against Clinton that I recognize now were irrational.
 
Sense of entitlement anyone?
Huckabees Registered For Gifts

By John Lyon

Arkansas News Bureau • jlyon@arkansasnews.com

LITTLE ROCK — “Wedding” registries in the names of Gov. Mike Huckabee and his wife, Janet, have been set up at two department store chains in advance of the Huckabees’ move out of the Governor’s Mansion into a private home.

Questions have been raised in the past over Gov. Huckabee’s acceptance of gifts. In 1998, a lawsuit filed by Arthur Kerns and Don Venhaus of Little Rock and Peggy Tucker of Jonesboro alleged that Huckabee misused the expense account of the Governor’s Mansion and illegally accepted as a gift about $70,000 worth of furniture.

The claim of misused funds was dropped after Huckabee agreed to a policy change; the claim of illegal gifts was dropped after Huckabee said the furniture belonged to the state, not to him personally.


http://www.swtimes.com/articles/2006/11/13/week_in_review/news/saturday/news09.txt

I would hope he gets the GOP nod (just because he is dumb enough to pull things like this during the campaign) but people had the same idea about Reagan, when he was running for Governor

Daredelvis
 
Strike three, he's outta there.
DR
Nice analysis. In addition...

Pat Robertson won Iowa and then melted away.
Strike.

I don't think the lineup has ever been so loaded with flawed candidates from a GOP nominatability standpoint... Rudy=social liberal, Romney=Mormon, McCain=McCain, Thompson=somnolent.
Ball.
 
Sounds like a restaurant to me. "Eat at Huckabee's", has a nice ring to it. But it's a silly name for a POTUS.
 
Apparantly Huckabee is still surging ahead of Romney in Iowa

The most dramatic result to come out of the poll, which is based on telephone interviews with 1,408 registered Iowa voters on Dec. 5 and 6, is Huckabee's emergence from the shadows of the GOP race into the front runner's spot in just two months. The ordained Southern Baptist minister now leads Romney by a two-to-one margin, 39 percent to 17 percent, among likely GOP caucus-goers.

I'm pretty sure most people haven't heard about this case, however. Most people still don't read blogs yet. But if some 527 group (like those (in)famous Swift-boaters) were to make a 30-second spot out of it?
 
I don't think the lineup has ever been so loaded with flawed candidates from a GOP nominatability standpoint... Rudy=social liberal, Romney=Mormon, McCain=McCain, Thompson=somnolent.
Ball.

What did Gingrich call the Republican candidates? A pack of pygmies? Huckabee should be the clear nominee on the basis of who he is and what he claims to believe. I do not see how he defeats Hillary Clinton in a general election; she eats him alive in my view. I can just imagine her saying, "Look at this rube from backward Arkansas." While I think Giuliani would give a Democrat trouble, Obama should be able to beat any of the Republicans. If we are going to have a Democrat, it might as well not be Republican-lite in the form of the loathsome Hillary Clinton.
 
Huckabee's surge is real
Now in the 5 most recent nationwide polls, Huckabee is 2nd in every one of them. In one (CBS/NYT) he is a mere 1% behind Giuliani, whose numbers have tailed off somewhat. Fred Thomspson has disappeared. While Romney is holding steady or even rising a bit nationally, he has fallen behind Huckabee in Iowa, which was supposed to be his launching platform. Romney had invested a lot in Iowa, and now trails Huckabee there by a wide margin.
 
I think he's just picking up the ultra-conservative religious vote. I don't think he'll be able to go much further than that though. If he gets nominated he won't win.
 
I think he's just picking up the ultra-conservative religious vote. I don't think he'll be able to go much further than that though. If he gets nominated he won't win.

I basically agree, although I don't know if his appeal is limited to "ultra-conservatives."

The best general election candidates on the GOP side are, I believe, McCain and Giuliani in that order, but I really don't think any of them can win. Maybe McCain if the war keeps getting better (no new upsurge in violence and the troops gradually start to come home, and there is some sense of progress).
 
I met the man at a Palmetto Family Values thing or some such (still compulsively showering). Huckabee showed up, seemed very affable, will be very attractive to religous conservatives. That's his base and when he uses that up he'll lose traction. Other than that he's just another shade of Neocon.
 

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