Herbal meds don't seem to work

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SteveGrenard said:


LOL. We have come full circle. We are zeroed out on this now. Go back and read some of the posts that oppose your statement.
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Anyone who opposes me is wrong. I noticed that your earlier post doesn't refute my post in the least, and in fact seems to agree with what I said...unless I am missing something?
 
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Rouser2 said:


Fact is, there is proveably far more quarkery to be found in Modern Medicine than anywhere else.

-- Rouser
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I'd like to see you prove that, kook. Quarkery or quackery, take your pick.
 
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Herbal 'medicines' are appealing because they're 'all-natural'. Well, uranium or mercury are 'all-natural' and I don't see many people gobbling that stuff down.
 
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>>I'd like to see you prove that, kook. Quarkery or quackery, take your pick.

Well, you still refuse to define quackery so why don't you tell us what you are raving about?


-- Rouser
 
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Rouser2 said:
Well, you still refuse to define quackery so why don't you tell us what you are raving about?


-- Rouser
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Raving? At least you appear to have a sense of humor. So you don't know what quackery is? You made the claim - back it up!
 
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BTox said:


Raving? At least you appear to have a sense of humor. So you don't know what quackery is? You made the claim - back it up!
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Oh, but it is you who substitutes epithets for thinking. It is you who endorses so-called "quack lists" in place of ratiional discussion. Suffice to say, that aside for the very good work Modern Medicine seems to do in a few areas such as trauma and birth defects, as far as diseases go, much of what passes for treatment is either useless or more harmful than the disease itself. As far as "proof," is concerned there is hardly a drug or a procedure one can think of that doesn't have a very limited life span which basically consists of I. Intial acceptance II. Doubt and controversy and III. Abandonment. But as to "proof", you tell me at the very simplist level just what "Medically Approved" cold remediies, for example, "work". Of course, you can't name even one. So there is an example of your "proof" for one very common malady. But perhaps you have proof of some other more successful treatment for some other disease which does not fit the "quack" category.

-- Rouser
 
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Ratman_tf said:
Herbal 'medicines' are appealing because they're 'all-natural'. Well, uranium or mercury are 'all-natural' and I don't see many people gobbling that stuff down.
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In Mexico, though, people still feed powdered lead to infants with colic.

(Edited to put an "e" in "lead." I don't think they grind up LEDs.)
 
Fact is, there is proveably far more quarkery to be found in Modern Medicine than anywhere else.

I doubt it. Care to provide the statistical evidence? Care to prove your proveable fact?
 
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Rouser2 said:

But as to "proof", you tell me at the very simplist level just what "Medically Approved" cold remediies, for example, "work". Of course, you can't name even one. So there is an example of your "proof" for one very common malady. -- Rouser
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Sure I can. Virtually any OTC drug for cold symptoms works as claimed. You see, none claim to cure the common cold, they only claim to reduce and ameliorate the symptoms. And they do work.

Next...
 
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Oh, but it is you who substitutes epithets for thinking. It is you who endorses so-called "quack lists" in place of ratiional discussion. Suffice to say, that aside for the very good work Modern Medicine seems to do in a few areas such as trauma and birth defects, as far as diseases go, much of what passes for treatment is either useless or more harmful than the disease itself.
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This has to be the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard.

Western Man lives to be 80 years old now not 40
He no longer dies from Smallpox, Diphtheria, Pneumonia, Tuberculosis, Bubonic Plague, Malaria, Polio etc etc… things that used to take out 40 % of the population
He now survives Heart disease and many cancers

NONE of these things relate to trauma and birth defects !

As far as "proof," is concerned there is hardly a drug or a procedure one can think of that doesn't have a very limited life span which basically consists of I. Intial acceptance II. Doubt and controversy and III. Abandonment.
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You seem to think because chemists, doctors and scientists IMPROVE their medicines the old ones were “unsafe” or “useless”. That is just lunacy. The OLD ones saved millions of lives. Sometimes it is good old evolution working against us that “shelves” drugs also.. resistance and mutation etc.

But as to "proof", you tell me at the very simplist level just what "Medically Approved" cold remediies, for example, "work".
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I don’t KNOW any medically approved cold remedies !! I know plenty of method of cold relief approved by medical authorities.. but none have yet claimed a cure.

Of course, you can't name even one. So there is an example of your "proof" for one very common malady. But perhaps you have proof of some other more successful treatment for some other disease which does not fit the "quack" category.
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Experimental medicine is fine.. “herbal” quackery is a joke !
 
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Ratman_tf said:
Well, uranium or mercury are 'all-natural' and I don't see many people gobbling that stuff down.
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Maybe not, but some years ago there was a promotion of "organic germanium". I remember seeing advertisements in chemists' shops at the time, and thinking, surely that can't mean what I think it means.

Apparently it did! Germanium as in semiconductor, organic as in compounded with carbon. Somebody decided to market it as a health food because the name sounded cuddly. A few people went into kidney failure before it was stopped.

Rolfe.
 
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BTox said:


Sure I can. Virtually any OTC drug for cold symptoms works as claimed. You see, none claim to cure the common cold, they only claim to reduce and ameliorate the symptoms. And they do work.

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They do? Name one.

-- Rouser
 
Originally posted by Aussie Thinker [/i]
Rouser2 writes



>>This has to be the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard.

>>Western Man lives to be 80 years old now not 40
He no longer dies from Smallpox, Diphtheria, Pneumonia, Tuberculosis, Bubonic Plague, Malaria, Polio etc etc… things that used to take out 40 % of the population
He now survives Heart disease and many cancers

Western man lives longer but the attribution to the drugs and vaccines of Modern Medicine is unproven, but your own lack of any attribution of longer life spans to such things as higher living standards, improved sanitation, drinking water, food intake, etc., etc., is noteworthy.


>>You seem to think because chemists, doctors and scientists IMPROVE their medicines the old ones were “unsafe” or “useless”. That is just lunacy. The OLD ones saved millions of lives. Sometimes it is good old evolution working against us that “shelves” drugs also.. resistance and mutation etc.

I'm sure that must be true in some cases. Can you name just one shelved drug that has previously "save" millions of lives???

>>I don’t KNOW any medically approved cold remedies !! I know plenty of method of cold relief approved by medical authorities.. but none have yet claimed a cure.

I don't even know of any that give relief. Do you?


>>Experimental medicine is fine.. “herbal” quackery is a joke !

Does that include aspirin???


-- Rouser
 
Rouser2 said:
Originally posted by Aussie Thinker [/i]
Rouser2 writes




>>You seem to think because chemists, doctors and scientists IMPROVE their medicines the old ones were “unsafe” or “useless”. That is just lunacy. The OLD ones saved millions of lives. Sometimes it is good old evolution working against us that “shelves” drugs also.. resistance and mutation etc.

I'm sure that must be true in some cases. Can you name just one shelved drug that has previously "save" millions of lives???


-- Rouser
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Penicillin. Probably flu vaccine since each year's supply is "shelved" as a matter of course. I think that the point was self evident and dosen't really require a lot of research to prove it out.
 
Rouser2 said:
Does that include aspirin???
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The stuff you will in in aspirin is not the stuff you will find in plants. It was modified slightly.
 
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epepke said:


In Mexico, though, people still feed powdered lead to infants with colic.

(Edited to put an "e" in "lead." I don't think they grind up LEDs.)
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Ew. Does that acutally do anything besides give them lead poisioning?
 
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Rolfe said:
Maybe not, but some years ago there was a promotion of "organic germanium". I remember seeing advertisements in chemists' shops at the time, and thinking, surely that can't mean what I think it means.

Apparently it did! Germanium as in semiconductor, organic as in compounded with carbon. Somebody decided to market it as a health food because the name sounded cuddly. A few people went into kidney failure before it was stopped.

Rolfe.
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'Zactly. The whole problem with herbal or homeopathic 'cures' is that people are putting things in their bodies without even a basic understanding of what the substance is or what it really does.
 
I just love the pathology of the opinion that tested, proven medicine doesn't work, but sucking on a random piece of tree bark does...what sort of childhood trauma is responsible for this?;)

Seriously, though...is there some sort of psychological disorder that makes people reject everything that has evidence to back it up, and embrace things that are pretty obviously wrong to everyone in the know? Is it an extension of some sort of teenaged rebellion?

Herbal 'remedies', by and large, don't do anything but line the pockets of the people selling them. That sure makes somebody feel better.:o
 
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Rouser2 said:



They do? Name one.

-- Rouser
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Pseudoephedrine for nasal congestion.
 
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