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Duh!
It's been too long since I've taken biology
I forgot fungi were their own group.
What is it, Fungi, Plants, Animals, Protozoa, Eukaryites? Something along those lines?
Found a site Animalia, Fungi, Monera, Plantae, Protista. Animals, 'Shrooms, Germs, Plants, and Fancy germs. Got it
Nex said:
Duh!
It's been too long since I've taken biology
I forgot fungi were their own group.What is it, Fungi, Plants, Animals, Protozoa, Eukaryites? Something along those lines?
Found a site
Animalia, Fungi, Monera, Plantae, Protista. Animals, 'Shrooms, Germs, Plants, and Fancy germs. Got it Hellbound
Merchant of Doom
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Yeah, I knew they weren't, but couldn't think of what they were. I'm getting old *sigh*.
flyboy217 said:
Yeah, I knew they weren't, but couldn't think of what they were. I'm getting old *sigh*.
Praise the Lord - relevant posts !
Flyboy217
originally posted by flyboy217 :
Yes but Fleming discovered Penicillin in 1928 and it came into medical use in 1941 - both dates well over 30 years ago.
To date the only 'closely related' antibiotics to Penicillins in medical usage which also originated in mould are the Cephalosporins which were also discovered before the classification was changed.
Penicillins are related to antibiotics other than Cephalosporins eg Carbapenems, Monobactams, Cephamycins but these, despite being structurally related to Penicillins originate not in Mould but in strange bacteria which share characteristics with fungi as do most antibiotics.
Flyboy217
originally posted by flyboy217 :
Yes but Fleming discovered Penicillin in 1928 and it came into medical use in 1941 - both dates well over 30 years ago.
To date the only 'closely related' antibiotics to Penicillins in medical usage which also originated in mould are the Cephalosporins which were also discovered before the classification was changed.
Penicillins are related to antibiotics other than Cephalosporins eg Carbapenems, Monobactams, Cephamycins but these, despite being structurally related to Penicillins originate not in Mould but in strange bacteria which share characteristics with fungi as do most antibiotics.
jambo372 said:
Erm... that was kind of a joke. It's not as though molds jumped from plantae to fungi magically--we just found better ways of classifying them more recently. So penicillin's discovery still had nothing to do with plants.
Either way, I wasn't trying to nitpick. I thought there might be something I wasn't aware of about its discovery.
Edit: interesting how your direct quote of me has an altered spelling ("mold"->"mould")
I didn't notice I'd changed the spelling - where I come from we spell it with a u.
I was just pointing out to you that Penicillin was discovered some 4-5 decades before the classification was changed meaning that Epepke's plant theory was indeed correct at the actual time.
I was just pointing out to you that Penicillin was discovered some 4-5 decades before the classification was changed meaning that Epepke's plant theory was indeed correct at the actual time.
jambo372 said:
No harm done. Just pointing out the dangers of not cutting-and-pasting for quotes.
...except that epepke wrote it closer to 4-5 days ago than 4-5 decades ago, so it was wrong at the time of writing.
If we were trying to gather a list of medicines derived from plants, I would think we would want to look at those organisms currently classified as plants rather than those that had at any point been classified as such.
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I know, I know, everything that goes wrong is my fault.misawafan said:
I'M SORRY. I'M REALLY, REALLY SORRY...
Ok, fungi aren't plants. What's more, there's no such thing as reptiles. Or insectivores. Bleedin' cladists...
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Not personally, but I share the collective moral guilt, yes.misawafan said:
Dr Adequate said:
Actually, I just noticed that jambo never did accuse you of being a professional scientist - you mentioned it merely in a compare/contrast way to his insults. I was hoping he had called you a professional scientist as a derogatory thing. Sort of steals any humor from my arch little reply to him. I blame the misread to holes in my eyes...
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My information source ?
Look it up on google. Penicillin was discovered by Fleming accidentally in 1928 when he took a holiday and came back to find that a neglected culture plate had become contamminated by the mould Penicillium notatum and that the Staphylococcus aureus he'd been growing in the petri dish wouldn't survive near the areas infected with the mould. In 1941 Florey and Chain managed to make the first stable preparation of Penicillin G from the mould but it was reserved to treat infected war wounds as it could only be produced at the time on a very small scale and the unmetabolised penicillin was even recycled from patient's urine for re-use due to this short supply.
The antibiotics I mentioned all have in common that they have a beta-lactam ring however of them only the penicillins and cephalosporins are true products of mould.
Carbapenems are semi-synthetic derivatives of Thienamycin which comes from the soil bacterium Streptomyces cattleya.
Cephamycins are also come from the various species of Streptomyces.
Monobactams are products of another bacterium Chromobacter violaceum.
Most antibiotics are bacterial in origin most coming from actinomycetes eg Chloramphenicol,Tetracyclines,Erythromycin and earlier Aminoglycosides most famously streptomycin all originated in Streptomyces. Vancomycin, Rifamycins and some newly discovered compounds resembling Tetracyclines are products of Amycolatopsis bacteria formerly classified as Nocardia. polymyxins and bacitracin come from Bacillus sp.
Here are some information sources:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aso/databank/entries/dm28ep.html
http://www.unica.it/~webcontu/brotzu/brotzu3.htm
http://www.drus.com/PDR/Vancocin_HCI_Pulvules.html
http://eduserv.hscer.washington.edu/pharmacy/medchem401/PDF files/401 dbl
My information source ?
Look it up on google. Penicillin was discovered by Fleming accidentally in 1928 when he took a holiday and came back to find that a neglected culture plate had become contamminated by the mould Penicillium notatum and that the Staphylococcus aureus he'd been growing in the petri dish wouldn't survive near the areas infected with the mould. In 1941 Florey and Chain managed to make the first stable preparation of Penicillin G from the mould but it was reserved to treat infected war wounds as it could only be produced at the time on a very small scale and the unmetabolised penicillin was even recycled from patient's urine for re-use due to this short supply.
The antibiotics I mentioned all have in common that they have a beta-lactam ring however of them only the penicillins and cephalosporins are true products of mould.
Carbapenems are semi-synthetic derivatives of Thienamycin which comes from the soil bacterium Streptomyces cattleya.
Cephamycins are also come from the various species of Streptomyces.
Monobactams are products of another bacterium Chromobacter violaceum.
Most antibiotics are bacterial in origin most coming from actinomycetes eg Chloramphenicol,Tetracyclines,Erythromycin and earlier Aminoglycosides most famously streptomycin all originated in Streptomyces. Vancomycin, Rifamycins and some newly discovered compounds resembling Tetracyclines are products of Amycolatopsis bacteria formerly classified as Nocardia. polymyxins and bacitracin come from Bacillus sp.
Here are some information sources:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aso/databank/entries/dm28ep.html
http://www.unica.it/~webcontu/brotzu/brotzu3.htm
http://www.drus.com/PDR/Vancocin_HCI_Pulvules.html
http://eduserv.hscer.washington.edu/pharmacy/medchem401/PDF files/401 dbl
jambo372 said:
No no. Okay, let me use small words:
You say "this is true."
You give an example.
You cite your sources.
So:
You said "this is true."
You need to give credit to sources that help you (it's obvious you can't think of all this yourself. You copied someone.)
No one else does it for others.
You said it, you prove it, you source it.
You you you.
Did I mention You have to uphold your own "this is true" words?
It's not for me to find your sources.
You give them yourself.
*gasps...dang, this babytalk thing is really wearing me out!*
Or you can add willful copyright infringement to all the other sh#tty things you've done.