Both are dead - it doesn't change what they done while alive as I've said repeatedly - and I don't believe in death anyway, in the proper sense of the word
And as I've said repeatedly it means we can no longer test them. All scientific studies do not rely on unrepeatable experiments carried out previously.
Your belief in death or not is irrelevant to our debate, unless you feel you can test Nina now somehow.
I believe unverifiable, anecdotal and unrepeatable evidence
Are you absolutely sure that's what you meant to say?
the evidence is verified by the many scientists who done the testing and was repeated many times when they were alive
Please tell me how you know the scientists were unbiased or not simply wanting to believe. Simply having scientific credentials is not enough to demonstrate pure objectivity - hence peer review and the importance of repeatability by other scientists. If it's a real observable phenomemon it's real to everyone.
Large flaws in terms of protocol - evidence ?
The small amount of video footage I have seen is very clear evidence. The table top is opaque and the perspex box was not put over the objects until after they had started moving. I could create these illusions with that kind of control.
Plus the fact that Nina's own rooms were used for experimentation. This should not have been done AT ALL.
Do you have any other video footage we could examine?
I learn more about mediumship which should come in handy for when I join a development circle
So you have officially given up on scientific learning then?
I would be right in thinking that once you join this 'development circle' you won't be allowed to ask genuine scientific sceptical questions, but will only be alowed to listen to what you are told?
You won't test their claims first before leaping feet first into the circle?
Jambo I am really concerned about what you are about to do. You are obviously an intelligent young person, but the answers you are looking for may not be found in this circle. I personally have seen people become very embroiled in this world and close themselves off from other information.
We are all always looking for answers and the spiritual world often gives very easy, simple answers. Such as:
Yes there is an afterlife.
Yes there is a meaning to your existence.
Yes your lifeforce continues after you die and affects the world in meaningful ways.
Maybe these claims are correct, maybe they are not. But I have encountered many people who have entered this world and believe all of the claims with no verifiable information other than that which a few people they know give them. A lot of it clearly untrue.
Your herbalism story was a good example. Some of the claims were connected with scientific knowledge, some were nothing more than wishful thinking. How do you know which are which?
You cling so strongly to Nina's memory, but what if (just imagine it for a second) she was a fake?
Would you then cling more strongly to Home? A man even further away from our current levels of analysis and scientific protocol?
How much real world evidence do you need to start to critically analyse all these claims? Or are you currently retreating into a 'development circle' because the real world evidence is staring to mount up?
A psychic claim for the JREF prize would not be half-hearted or subject to protocols or 'experimenter effect' or any of the other excuses. It would be clear, real and undeniable. If Randi denied it, it would be subject to legal action and then we would see it on every media network in the world.
Please Jambo, do not retreat into this world of psychic claims. Believe whatever you wish, but always try to think critically (and by that I mean analytically and logically) about everything you are told.
I was in a developmental circle one time. I was, frankly, quite disturbed by what the others there were accepting when they became a group.
But I've rambled on enough - your decisions, like everyone's will only ever be your own.
Regards,
Ash.
), so I don't consider the ones I consider fake to be frauds as they have obviously no financial motive - I feel that some of them just want to comfort people, some are deluded and that the remainder of the fakes are just attention seekers.
