Split Thread henryco's new paper

bill smith said:
Here's another clip. Notice the way the building collapses with the crowd completely slilent and then suddenly they seem to wake up and start to scatter. Well in the split second before they start to scream i think I hear another sound. Anybody else hear that ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWM64aSYxuM&NR=1
Click to expand...

I think I hear something significant.

Both the clip linked by henryco and the one bill called "authentic" contain the voice saying "are you k-", which 240-185 pointed out above. It's very clearly audible.

In bill's latest clip most of the elements appear to be the same as in the first two- the pattern of explosions is similar and Hezarkhani and the screamers appear at the same point in the video, but the "are you k-" isn't there.

That there are different versions of the soundtrack floating around the 'net is absolute proof that at least one version cannot be authentic- but there's more.

Conspiraloon fantasies to the contrary, there is no sane way to remove a human voice from a mix after the fact*. Adding one, however, is trivially easy- all you need is a mixer and playback devices for the elements you want to combine.

What I deduce is that the soundtrack of the henryco clip (and bill's first clip) is derived from the soundtrack used in the third video, but with the "are you k-" voice added.

If I am correct, that proves, irrefutably, that the audio in henryco's clip is not authentic.

*if you had the voice you want to remove recorded in isolation you could try to use subtraction to cancel it out of the mix. If, however, your raw material is a mono or stereo track in which all of the elements are already combined, you don't, by definition, have that isolated recording.
 
ktesibios said:
I think I hear something significant.

Both the clip linked by henryco and the one bill called "authentic" contain the voice saying "are you k-", which 240-185 pointed out above. It's very clearly audible.

In bill's latest clip most of the elements appear to be the same as in the first two- the pattern of explosions is similar and Hezarkhani and the screamers appear at the same point in the video, but the "are you k-" isn't there.

That there are different versions of the soundtrack floating around the 'net is absolute proof that at least one version cannot be authentic- but there's more.

Conspiraloon fantasies to the contrary, there is no sane way to remove a human voice from a mix after the fact*. Adding one, however, is trivially easy- all you need is a mixer and playback devices for the elements you want to combine.

What I deduce is that the soundtrack of the henryco clip (and bill's first clip) is derived from the soundtrack used in the third video, but with the "are you k-" voice added.

If I am correct, that proves, irrefutably, that the audio in henryco's clip is not authentic.

*if you had the voice you want to remove recorded in isolation you could try to use subtraction to cancel it out of the mix. If, however, your raw material is a mono or stereo track in which all of the elements are already combined, you don't, by definition, have that isolated recording.
Click to expand...

And who are the sheep?
 
leftysergeant said:
ou'll have to give us a time stamp. The drum beat from the opening screen bleeds over a bit into this version.
Click to expand...

at 13-14 seconds in you can hear the sound begin that sets the crowd running and screaming. Like I said it couldn't be clearer.
 
bill smith said:
at 13-14 seconds in you can hear the sound begin that sets the crowd running and screaming. Like I said it couldn't be clearer.
Click to expand...
Looks like another job for 240-185. It sounds to me like they also used some of the sound from Hezarkhani's Battery Park footage. I think it is from the impact of the aircraft on the south tower.
 
leftysergeant said:
Looks like another job for 240-185. It sounds to me like they also used some of the sound from Hezarkhani's Battery Park footage. I think it is from the impact of the aircraft on the south tower.
Click to expand...

Interestingly it appears to tbe South tower that's collapsing in that video.
 
bill smith said:
Interestingly it appears to tbe South tower that's collapsing in that video.
Click to expand...

Don't even go there. Hezarkhani could not have filmed that segment of the collapse from Battery Park, and he would not have been allowed to walk up there and join the fire fighters for no apparent reason. He is not a journalist. He is a gem stone dealer.

I should think that by the time of the collapse, he was already making his way to the CNN offices to sell his videos in time for the evening news.
 
leftysergeant said:
Don't even go there. Hezarkhani could not have filmed that segment of the collapse from Battery Park, and he would not have been allowed to walk up there and join the fire fighters for no apparent reason. He is not a journalist. He is a gem stone dealer.

I should think that by the time of the collapse, he was already making his way to the CNN offices to sell his videos in time for the evening news.
Click to expand...

Here's a shot of the Towers taken from almost the same spot by the Naudet brothers. From the 28 second mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUT7yup-YIg&NR=1 Naudet 2
 
Last edited:
bill smith said:
I was just a little interested. ' Fondue' like in melted cheese or 'foundry' like in melted steel are also based on that French word 'Fondre' I guess.
Click to expand...

I concur with 240-185. Your comprehension of the French language is abysmal. Stop it, you're embarrassing yourself.
 
Pardalis said:
I concur with 240-185. Your comprehension of the French language is abysmal. Stop it, you're embarrassing yourself.
Click to expand...

I can't speak for the French language but it seems as though bs's comprehension of just about everything is abysmal.
 
3bodyproblem said:
J'ai fait un monstre. Bill veut être un Quebecois.
Click to expand...

Over my dead body. ;)

dtugg said:
I can't speak for the French language but it seems as though bs's comprehension of just about everything is abysmal.
Click to expand...

Yeah, Bill understands what he wants to understand. The way he invented the word "fondré" is a good indicator of how he deals with information: he has a preconceived idea of the world and tries to make reality fit into that idea, even if it means distorting and making things up... like making up new words.

That was for the French language, he does the same for engineering and physics, and I'm sure pretty much everything else.
 
Indeed, this selective listening and reasoning skill is very much a truther thing. What they don't like they ignore like your speaking another language. What they do understand they twist the meaning to suit their needs. I thought I'd try and bounce a few things off Henery in french just too see if it's a translation thing or what. Apparently it isn't, he understands perfectly. It's just that he has the exact same problem with comprehension.

I think that's part of the reason truthers just don't talk in public. If they did they would be forced to respond to things that on the internet they totally gloss over. In real life they would simply be shut down before they could continue on in their madness. You'll note what happened to Tony Szamboti in the Hardfire debates, he did a lot of stamering and stuttering. The only reason he wasn't completely shutdown was because Ryan was on a webcam.
 
leftysergeant said:
Looks like another job for 240-185. It sounds to me like they also used some of the sound from Hezarkhani's Battery Park footage. I think it is from the impact of the aircraft on the south tower.
Click to expand...

About what video? The phone booth is already used by some journalist :D
 
All manipulations are possible on a video sound track!! even adding some details to make it non credible.

So there is no way how you could say which one is the authentic one for sure.
This is why i asked the more relevant question: which sound track agrees with the many and many witnesses of explosions?

I can also notice that even if there are no explosions, there IS a collapse of a huge building and it is almost inaudible in one of the two versions!!

A good quality recording (HiFi) is needed not to cut the low frequencies: the bass! And it appears obvious to me that in the video version that many people here want to be the authentic one, the collapse dominant low frequencies are inaudible...so at best (even if authentic) , it cannot be considered as reliable
 
henryco said:
A good quality recording (HiFi) is needed not to cut the low frequencies: the bass! And it appears obvious to me that in the video version that many people here want to be the authentic one, the collapse dominant low frequencies are inaudible...so at best (even if authentic) , it cannot be considered as reliable
Click to expand...

I work in the media business. I've been doing video production for years, and dabbled in recording technology as well.

What you just said is bonkers.
 
JoeyDonuts said:
I work in the media business. I've been doing video production for years, and dabbled in recording technology as well.

What you just said is bonkers.
Click to expand...

Is it really though ?

How loud do you suppose the collapse of a 110 storey building should be ?

On one hand there are those who say that the sound of an explosion in one video is simply a small fragment of debris falling to the ground, yet on the other hand are totally comfortable with a close recording of the destruction of the building being almost silent and utterly overwhelmed by local noise sources such as footfalls and voices.

A clear understanding of microphone response patterns, noise gating electronics and a host of other technical details is vital to understanding what gets recorded, and what does not.

I don't *do* discussion here. It's far too polarised, but the question should be looked at in detail...

Why was the descent of each building almost silent in A/V recordings ?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom