Help ridiculing a Bible Code
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I actually have some free time to work on the above this weekend, and I'll probably put it on a webpage pretty soon with some other things I worked on in the past.
Intuitively, I think that it will be harder though to get meaningful words from random letters than it is to get meaningful sentences from random words.
T'ai Chi said:
Hmm.. I'd make a very long "book" filled with random letters.
Then I'd step through and take every, say, 5th letter and see what words I get.
This might (not too sure really) be the same as going through a long book and taking every 5th word.
Surely they couldn't believe that a long book of random letters was divinely inspired. Or maybe they could.
I actually have some free time to work on the above this weekend, and I'll probably put it on a webpage pretty soon with some other things I worked on in the past.
Intuitively, I think that it will be harder though to get meaningful words from random letters than it is to get meaningful sentences from random words.
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It's all about the selective presentation of "facts" that makes this easy to debunk. Why choose and present all the examples given? There are a myriad of other "magical" numbers that can be found if you look hard enough.
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Ivan Panin = Van In Pain
Ivan Panin = Vain In Pan
Ivan Panin = Pain In Van
Could it be that Ivan Panin's very name prophesies something?
Will his car van break down, and be in pain?
Or will he be proud of something he does in a bed pan?
Ivan Panin = Vain In Pan
Ivan Panin = Pain In Van
Could it be that Ivan Panin's very name prophesies something?
Will his car van break down, and be in pain?
Or will he be proud of something he does in a bed pan?
If you take six pennies and arrange them in the form of a hexagram, to where each penny touched the next penny, you would have precisely enough room to place a seventh penny in the center. So yes, the numbers 6 and 7 do have a universal relationship to one another.Bjorn said:
Since God rested on the 7th day, wasn't the creation done in 6?
Whereas if you "circumscribe" a larger circle around the orignal seven (pennies), you now have the eighth circle, and hence "one octave," and its relationship to the musical scale.
Please disregard my use of the numbers here, as they pertain to another illustration. However, it might make more sense if you understood that the 4th commandment says, "Honor the Sabbath" or, "7th day." Which, is illustrated by the symbolism below ...
4) Honor the Sabbath ... 7) Don't commit Adultery ... 9) Don't bear False Witness ...
And here we have The Three Centers, which shows why the 7 should be placed in the center (of a hexagram) and the 8th should circumscribe the original seven. All of which culminate into the symbol below ...
And note, the arrangement of the numbers 1 through 6, may not necessarily reflect the six days of creation. Although it would probably be more like the "color wheel" effect above, except with the "7th day" placed in the center.
Dancing David
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Iacchus said:
If you wish to cloak your mysticism in the Hebrai and Cannanite traditions, you really need to study the kabbalah. Also Qabbalah, there are many variations on the transiliteration. I recommend Eden Gray. But you must understand that you are just borrowing a mish mash here, it is very useful to understand that the hebrai kabbalah is different from greek gematria.
Seven is the number of the manifestation of creation, that is why god created the world in seven days, but there are the three 'supernals' that exist before the creation of the seven, therefore the total number of creation is ten not seven. The reason that seven is made reference to is because it is the number of the physical creation, that which is apparent in the material world. But there is that whisch lies beyong the abyss of reason. And so the total number of creation is ten.
Mysticism is mysticism, and you don't "cloak" it as much as you use the materials at hand. So there's no point in labeling my material as aberrant or, possibly "heretical," because my mother and father are legitimate.Dancing David said:
So, how is it possible to create a "life" for oneself (spiritual or whatever), without the ability to work with the materials at hand?
Oh, do you mean like the bowling pin configuration, where you attach three additional pennies to the hexagram and create an equilateral triangle?
By the way, did you know that by adding three more pennies it forms a six-sided star, which is the same configuration that's on the back of a dollar bill, and is supposed to represent the thirteen original colonies of the United States? Except that instead of pennies, it's comprised of 13 five 5-pointed stars, in which case the star itself becomes the 14th (star).
Kind of sounds reminiscient of Israel (Jacob) adopting the two sons of Joseph -- Manasseh and Ephraim -- which thus became his 13th and 14th sons -- which, by the way, are supossed to represent Great Britain and the United States. Please refer to chapter 10 of my book, Ephraim and Manasseh ...
Perhaps you should try working with the seven pennies instead or, whatever coins you have available? So long as they're equal in diameter.CWL said:
Does this prove everything? No. However, it does suggest it's possible to assign values to numbers and, that we seem to be looking in the right area (with respect to the number seven). While here are some possible meanings for the numbers 1 thru 7 ...
1 = Unity.
2 = Duality (left and right) ... stereo.
3 = Existence (triangle at its base) ... establishment.
4 = Center of existence (within the triangle) ... Greek letter delta?
5 = Perception (arising from triangle) ... awareness of space existing outside of one's center.
6 = Will (development of hexagram) ... interaction with the space existing outside of one's center.
7 = Completeness ... re-establishment of center, based upon the awareness (5) and interaction (6) of "the reality" which now exists outside of one's center.
Dancing David
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Dancing David
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Iacchus said:Mysticism is mysticism, and you don't "cloak" it as much as you use the materials at hand. So there's no point in labeling my material as aberrant or, possibly "heretical," because my mother and father are legitimate.
Heresey is the best if you can't lampoon your religion you can't really enjoy it. I am not saying that your beliefs are lacking in respect. I just recomend that if you are going to drag in the bible and the traditions associated with it that it is helpful to be conversant in the sysmbols of the tradition.
As a neo-pagan I recognise the absolute need to make things on the fly, but in the symbolic converstaion it helps to understand the language of the tradition. It is fine to have a self establishing faith. I am merely making flip comments about dragging in the bible and all it's demons.
So, how is it possible to create a "life" for oneself (spiritual or whatever), without the ability to work with the materials at hand?
Quite in agreement!
Yet since I believe that culture is the manifestation and repository of the 'collective unconsious" then it is important to know the water before you swall0ow the ocean.
Oh, do you mean like the bowling pin configuration, where you attach three additional pennies to the hexagram and create an equilateral triangle?
Uh, no, that one doesn't ring anything in my 'spiritual' baggage. That is part of the geometry of numbers. Which is so complex that it is a mirror where we can see ourselves in the symbolism. I mean that in the 'creation' of the 'world' as referenced in the creation myth of the bible. That when 'god' gets down to the matter-ial creation the number of elements in that creation is seven, representing a lot of things in the ancient mystery traditions.
The superanals 'exist' before the 'creation' and therefore when god 'creates' the material world it takes seven days, once for each of the elements of 'creation'. The supernals 'exist' before the creation and therefore when you start the magic of the numbers the seven of the material world comes after the 'three' of the supernals.
Which leads to the number ten and all that entails in the bible myth.
By the way, did you know that by adding three more pennies it forms a six-sided star, which is the same configuration that's on the back of a dollar bill, and is supposed to represent the thirteen original colonies of the United States? Except that instead of pennies, it's comprised of 13 five 5-pointed stars, in which case the star itself becomes the 14th (star).
I don't see that myself. Thirteen is the number of the ten spheres and the three veils of creation. Also the full moons in a year.
Kind of sounds reminiscient of Israel (Jacob) adopting the two sons of Joseph -- Manasseh and Ephraim -- which thus became his 13th and 14th sons -- which, by the way, are supossed to represent Great Britain and the United States. Please refer to chapter 10 of my book, Ephraim and Manasseh ...
Sorry , I think the ten tribes are accounted for unless you read Holy Blood, Holy Grail and there is an even better one about the ark of the convenant and bathseeba. As entertaining as the National Review and the other tabloids.