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Hellstorm: what the heck?

Ladewig said:
I've said it before Travis. Watching crazy people preach crazy sermons is not a healthy outlet for someone who does not have regular face-to-face contact with sane, whole, mentally-hygienic people.

As for the camp stuff. I believe the deniers are not talking about camps in England or America but are talking about improvised camps that the allies set up in Germany at the very end of the war. I am sure someone more knowledgeable about 20th century European history can elaborate.
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I think that's the mythology first expounded in Other Losses, a book based on the heading of one column in a table that listed how POWs were handled after the war. The author assumed "other losses" were all deaths and the deaths were due to deliberate neglect and/or outright starvation. The guy was an idiot.

Ninja'd by Nick Terry.
 
Travis said:
At one point they even start talking about how the Nazi image was all a huge lie perpetrated by Jews.
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What do they mean by "Nazi image"?
Are they implying Riefenstahl was a jewish agent or something?
 
Nick Terry said:
If you google Rheinwiesenlager you should find a Wiki page explaining that from 1 to 1.9 million POWs held in these camps approximately 3-10,000 died. The US Army states 3,000 deaths, German figures go to 4,500. These were initially open-air camps and there were undoubtedly supply issues compounded by a decision to reclassify POWs which led to lower rations being issued. It was fortunate that they existed only in the summer of 1945 otherwise the death toll could have been horrific.
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Considering that Germany could not even feed themselves, actually it is surprising how few post war deaths there really were. Many women hitched themselves to American GIs (Just sex or marriage) in order to get enough food. That includes my own mother btw.

Germany should be happy that the Morgenthau Plan was not followed through and one could not blame the allies if they had after the war they went through.
 
Desert Fox said:
Considering that Germany could not even feed themselves, actually it is surprising how few post war deaths there really were. Many women hitched themselves to American GIs (Just sex or marriage) in order to get enough food. That includes my own mother btw.

Germany should be happy that the Morgenthau Plan was not followed through and one could not blame the allies if they had after the war they went through.
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The Soviets gave it a shot.
 
Gawdzilla Sama said:
No, the "they did the Holocaust" thing. That's all a lie anyway.

:rolleyes:
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The film even seems to imply that Germany was framed for starting the war. Like it was just sitting there minding its own business when the Allies just invaded because they are mean.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
In the UK Italian and German POWs were allowed out to work on farms and such. Some were even lodged outside the camps.
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Same in the US,particulary with the Italians after Italy surrendered.
They were encouraged to get jobs outside the camps. There is a reference to that in "The Godfather" where the Baker asks Don Corleone to use his political pull to help his Italian POW assistant to get permanent resident status.

As for Hellstorm, it's pure Hitler Hugger crap.

Here's the website for the film: http://www.hellstormdocumentary.com/

Here is a sample of what is on the site:

Since the release of the film last May, Germany has been invaded once again, but this time she has an occupational government that won’t stand up for the folk. In fact, the traitorous government, headed by the Communist Merkel, invited the rapist army to come and run wild. Children are being attacked, girls are being raped, and the police won’t step in and help. In fact, the only people they have been attacking are the patriotic dissidents opposed to the destruction of Germany
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Merkel is a Communist?????????????
Also lots of references to "White European Civilization" and "White Race Advocates".

Yeah, pure Neo Nazi B.S.
 
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Travis said:
The film even seems to imply that Germany was framed for starting the war. Like it was just sitting there minding its own business when the Allies just invaded because they are mean.
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"Yes officer I was framed. There I was with 1.5 million of my close personal Wehrmacht friends, harmlessly picking flowers along the Polish border with a full combat load of ammunition when these mean Polish guys assaulted us by sending our own prisoners to attack a harmless radio station that noone more than ten miles away could hear. So we asked our 50,000 Slovak buddies to help and went to discuss the matter civilly in Warsaw. Those bombs? I blame some shoddy work by the Jewish slaves in the munitions plants, they must have made the attachments deliberately weak so that they fell off right on those militarily significant targets...."

"Yugoslavia, they were just asking for it. YOu know what I mean, just sitting there, inside their own territory, not letting the Italians take what they wanted, looking all shy and coquettish..."
 
Captain_Swoop said:
As the last remaining participants die and as we move further away from the war there will be more and more of this kind of thing.
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And I think the rise ,for the first time since WW2,of borderline facist,anti those of the wrong race groups in Europe and, I am sad to say,in America, is another result of that.
 
Border Reiver said:
"Yes officer I was framed. There I was with 1.5 million of my close personal Wehrmacht friends, harmlessly picking flowers along the Polish border with a full combat load of ammunition when these mean Polish guys assaulted us by sending our own prisoners to attack a harmless radio station that noone more than ten miles away could hear. So we asked our 50,000 Slovak buddies to help and went to discuss the matter civilly in Warsaw. Those bombs? I blame some shoddy work by the Jewish slaves in the munitions plants, they must have made the attachments deliberately weak so that they fell off right on those militarily significant targets...."

"Yugoslavia, they were just asking for it. YOu know what I mean, just sitting there, inside their own territory, not letting the Italians take what they wanted, looking all shy and coquettish..."
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"We try to take each country,]
But there is just one country,
It's not 30 Miles Away,
Where the blasted British play,
They won't let us have their Country".

Lyrics to Der Feuhrer's Face, that were not in the Spike Jones version, which had only half of the original lyrics in the Disney Cartoon.
 
Travis said:
The film even seems to imply that Germany was framed for starting the war. Like it was just sitting there minding its own business when the Allies just invaded because they are mean.
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I see this same mindset sometimes regarding Imperial Japan, as if it was this weak, harmless, innocent country (except for that whole Pearl Harbor thing, usually handwaved away), and America flattened and nuked them, again, because they are mean.
 
Polaris said:
I see this same mindset sometimes regarding Imperial Japan, as if it was this weak, harmless, innocent country (except for that whole Pearl Harbor thing, usually handwaved away), and America flattened and nuked them, again, because they are mean.
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Or they complain that the Big Bad Americans forced them to attack Pearl Harbor because of the embargo America put on Oil and other War Materials to poor innocent Japan.
That the embargos were a response to Japan's continuing aggression in China goes beyond them.
And there is also Rape of Nanking denialism.
 
dudalb said:
Or they complain that the Big Bad Americans forced them to attack Pearl Harbor because of the embargo America put on Oil and other War Materials to poor innocent Japan.
That the embargos were a response to Japan's continuing aggression in China goes beyond them.
And there is also Rape of Nanking denialism.
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If you want a shining example of a tu quoque, bring up this point.
 
when it made the laughable claim that British and American troops raped and murdered millions as they marched in from the west.
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Now if they were talking about the Soviet troops they might have a point. No getting around the conduct of many Soviets in their invasion of the Eastern Part of Germany was Barbaric and totally inexcusable. But of course the makers of Hellstrom would ignore Germans behaved the same way in their invasion of Russia.
 
dudalb said:
And I think the rise ,for the first time since WW2,of borderline facist,anti those of the wrong race groups in Europe and, I am sad to say,in America, is another result of that.
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My nephew makes some alarmingly fascist comments sometimes, and I think it is directly related to his ignorance of history.
 
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