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Hello from a non-skeptic

Uh-oh, you're opening up a can of worms with that one...


I mean "real" in the sense that he exists. If you poked at him, your finger would touch something. I don't mean "real" in the sense of "wasn't born in Kenya" or "isn't secretly a Muslim."
 
What we have said is that no case has yet been shown to be true.

And the difference is?

Which is not evidence. We have explained why it is not multiple times. Why do you still think that it is?

Because I lived through them and your explanations for them do not fit. If I say to you that upon the first encounter I had with the medium after having been pondering about the non-existence of God and the very first thing she says to me, without my having said absolutelyanything at all is "What was that **** you were thinking? There IS a God." How does this fit your explanations? To me, it simply doesn't...
 
Guys, if you don't place one question to me at a time, but continue to bombard me in a way to which I cannot reply, I am going to stop. Let one member pose his/her questions, and kindly await my answer before so many more of you come in with more...
 
Regarding the pregnancy prophecy, if someone admitted and had video documentation of them secretly taking a blood sample from your wife, determining she was pregnant and telling the psychic about it, would that convince you that you did not experience something supernatural in this specific case?

Goodness, doesn't this question sound as absurd to you as it does to me? Say what????
 
you think that your personal experiences are valid proof, at least to you, when they are actually quite likely not.

Sorry, but you cannot make this statement. I lived through them. You didn't. I know exactly what happened and what the circumstances were. You don't. I have had to deal with all sorts of presumptions here that are/were not true in relation to what I experienced.

The only difference between us is that I had the opportunity to encounter them. You didn't.
 
Guys, if you don't place one question to me at a time, but continue to bombard me in a way to which I cannot reply, I am going to stop. Let one member pose his/her questions, and kindly await my answer before so many more of you come in with more...


I've asked this several times now as it addresses your amazement at some things that to us seem to be nothing more than cold reading:


What is your opinion of Derren Brown's cold reading? Do you not find it convincing? How do you think one should determine a psychic as genuine when Derren's performances seem just as accurate and mind-boggling as a medium's?


What is your opinion of Derren Brown asking the woman about an elevator that she dreamed about?
 
Guys, I've been at this for at least a couple of hours now so I'm going to take a break, ok?

Please post in a manner that it might be humanly possibly for me to reply. Don't run me over with such a bombardment.
 
Sorry, but you cannot make this statement.

Actually, I can.

I lived through them. You didn't. I know exactly what happened and what the circumstances were. You don't. I have had to deal with all sorts of presumptions here that are/were not true in relation to what I experienced.

The only difference between us is that I had the opportunity to encounter them. You didn't.

None of which is relevant.

Your experiences were not controlled, you did not take down the relevant facts, and human memory is incredibly fallible. That's what we've been trying to explain to you. You remember your experiences as perfect proof of the paranormal. They probably weren't.
 
On a related note, I was discussing cold reading with a work colleague today (inspired by this thread) and telling him about some of the tricks of the trade.

I gave him an example by successfully predicting that he was going to be driving home from work today rather than catching public transport (as he usually, but not always does). I had not seen his car today, nor do I even know what his car looks like. I told him that I wasn't certain that he was driving home today when I made my guess, but I thought it to be likely. I asked him to try to figure out how I came to my conclusion. He couldn't. I told him how and he was very impressed, to say the least.

I won't reveal my method here, because the point I'm trying to make is that one doesn't need to 'figure it out' to conclude that it was done by non-paranormal means.
 
As 3Point14 said I know exactly the kind of evidence that would be required to change my mind, and I am willing to examine that evidence as objectively as I can manage if someone ever produces it. Until you can say the same, you don't get to accuse anyone who can of being close-minded. Sorry.
Words put into my mouth again. Can you please point out where I said this here?

Here you go:

Obviously there's no winning with you guys, because your minds are already set!!!!!!!!

....

You guys really don't know what you are talking about...

Really, you should seriously rethink your "You put words in my mouth" stance that you are showing recently and repeatedly.

No doubt, you get a lot of replies here. But you also have to ask yourself if you really attempt to give reasonable answers to the questions posed. As in: if you would, then there wouldn't be that many repetitions of the same or similar questions. Or repetitions of the same counter arguments, for that matter.

Maybe you want to take a break from posting in this thread, and read through some other threads in the "General Skepticism and The Paranormal" subforum, as well as some threads in the "Million Dollar Challenge" subforum. Select at least "Last Year" in the "From The" combo-box in the "Display Options" at the bottom of the subforum page to see older threads, especially in the MDC subforum.

Once you are there, compare your line of reasoning and arguments to the ones you read there from the claimants. That should help you greatly to understand why so far you come across as the usual believer who has a fixed mindset. Granted, your posts are well written, compared to the majority of other claimants. But still, the modus operandi that you show here is not that much different.

Greetings,

Chris
 
Pixel, I was referring to your statement that I said you were all "closed-minded"
Well here for example:

Obviously there's no winning with you guys, because your minds are already set!!!!!!!!

And of course in the post I was quoting:

Again: I could say the same about you...

Charles we're all really asking the same questions (well except for the guys who keep going on about your wife's pregnancy, I don't know WTF that's about) so you don't need to reply to everybody. If you want to pick one person to reply to I'd suggest either Pure Agent or Loss Leader. Meaningful responses to either of them would pretty much satisfy everyone else, I think.
 
Robert, please kindly go over my replies and what I have already said...


I have read all of your replies, and although you repeatedly claim that you are basing your conclusions on your personal experiences and that the predictions couldn't have been successfully made by chance, you haven't specifically addressed Derren Brown's cold reading.

From what you have posted to date, it seems you would be completely convinced by Derren's 'predictions' of the elevator dream and the near drowning and the photos hanging on the wall of a woman's apartment. Although Derren does not reveal how he is making these predictions, he does reveal that he is not using psychic powers.

So, standing Derren and your medium side-by-side, how do you determine who is a genuine psychic and who is not other than taking their word for it?
 
I know exactly what happened and what the circumstances were.

Sorry, but no, you don't. As has been said to you repeatedly: human memory is fallible. You _think_ you know, but in fact it is all just memories that very likely have been corrupted over time. Parts of them are correct, parts of them are uncertain, parts of them are plain wrong. Try as you might, but you can not change that simple fact.

As i have suggested earlier in this thread: go to a police station and ask them about the reliability of witness reports. For example from people that witnessed the same accident. Ask them how much they match each other. Then ask them about reports from a single witness, concerning the same thing, over a period of time. That is, a witness giving an account at some time, and giving an account of the same thing after some weeks/months/years have passed.

If you do that you will find out that the police will tell you the very same thing: memories of people are anything but reliable. Now, what makes you think that you are above that and have a perfect memory of anything and everything that ever happened in your life?

And also, as many have pointed out already: without comparison as to how many prophecies that medium got wrong vs. how many it got right, it is absolutely nonsensical to give any credibility to any prophecy of that medium that eventually may have come true. Without a proper (!) track record that clearly shows that the medium's predictions were correct more often than chance alone allows for, there is no reason to even think (let alone believe) that this medium has any abilities at all.

To (again) compare it to the lottery: the chance of getting the correct numbers to win millions is incredibly small. You may play all the time until you die, and never ever win the jackpot. However, that does not mean that no one can win. After all, there _are_ people who win it. The same can be said in reverse: just because you might have picked the right numbers once, won the millions, and no one else did in that week, does not mean that you have used psychic powers to predict the numbers. For you alone that might an incredibly event, with an extremely low chance of happening to you. But compared to the numbers of people that play, and the number of games played and to play in the future, it is certain that someone must win sooner or later.

Greetings,

Chris
 
Charles, you did mention earlier on that you could predict lottery numbers better than chance, and although you don't seem to count that as psychic or evidence of special powers, I'm sure many here would feel it is unusual, at least.

This does seem to be an interesting claim, and potentially testable, so would you be prepared to predict some lottery numbers for us? It doesn't matter which lottery, as long as we can see the actual winning numbers and compare them with your prediction. Obviously you would need to state which lottery and which future draw your predicted numbers referred to.

Others here could also attempt to predict the same draw, and we could subsequently check to see the variation in predictions, who did best, who worst, etc. Not very scientific as a single test, but it would be interesting and if you're willing, it could be the first of several trials that would allow for a decent statistical analysis.

How about it?

I would laugh my tits off if he got all six, can we do the UK lottery charles? I wanna actually play my numbers, you know... just in case!
 
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Ah, so my memory has been corrupted and nothing I encountered is as I remember it because I was conned by a very clever system but no one know exactly how it works and my memory has played tricks on me. So my wife was not pregnant when I was not told that she was. So Diana didn't die seven days almost to the minute after the prediction was made to me. So the medium, or the spiritual entity, didn't know what I had been thinking a couple of days before... Geeeeez...

I am off to the dentist. Knock it for six, but it might provide you all with some entertainment.

From chapter 8 of my story:

The episode with Luiz Felipe left me pondering for quite some time, and inevitably remained in my mind until this day. Still for a while after the encounter with him, I kept wondering about all that had happened and all that I had read and experienced, particularly as to why Luiz Felipe had spelled out the “Stewart” surname with a different spelling to my own “Stuart”, and whether all that I had read and experienced could be true.

About a year and a half after the night with Luiz Felipe, my step-father was transferred by his company to England, so my mother, my sisters and I were forced to move with him. I lived in England for the next two years, but, like my mother in Scotland, I did not adapt well, so as soon as I was eighteen I returned to Brazil alone and began working as an English teacher to make a living. Two years later I met a young and beautiful Brazilian girl in Búzios - a resort peninsula on the north coast of Rio – whom I married when I was just twenty-one years old. My first son was born the following year, in February 1982.

The almost inevitable divorce, for a couple that had married so young, came in 1987. My ex-wife and I made an agreement that our son would spend a year with me in England, where I had decided to go for a while, after which term I would then return him to her in Brazil. When I did, in 1988, I also followed him back to Rio.

Saddened as I was for being without both my wife and my child, I began running the bars and the nightlife of Rio with my friends, in a phase of many affairs and one-night-stands that came and went. Some even had a certain degree of passion to them, but for the most part it was just a lonely and saddened period of my life.

On one particular night, I had been out drinking with some friends when they decided to go to a snack-bar for a sandwich and a soft drink. The excess of beer took its toll while we were driving there, so when we arrived at the snack-bar I quickly rushed to the toilet. After having been quite sick, I finally managed to get up, wash my face and take some long, deep breaths, then went outside the snack-bar and leaned against a car to catch some air.

I saw the man approaching me from the corner of my eye - a thin, short man, neither dark nor fair of skin, with short, curly, black hair and wearing simple clothes. At first, I thought he was also drunk, and remember thinking: “Oh no, a drunkard coming to bother another drunkard.” But this man was not drunk.

"Forgive me for coming up to speak to you like this,” he began saying as he approached me, “but I have seen all that you have been going through here in the region above your eyes. This has never happened to me so clearly. Forgive my asking, but why are you drinking like this? Is it because of that woman who left you? You must not do this. You must be stronger. You must think of your son...”

It would be extremely difficult for me, in fact practically impossible simply by describing these events such as they happened, to share them with the same impact and effect that they had upon me when they did - the awe, the confusion between belief and disbelief, the total incapacity and inability to comprehend, the shock and the impact of each word and circumstance. All I can do is narrate them as they occurred, and hope and pray that those who might read this story will at least believe me when I say that such events did indeed happen to me.

As soon as this unknown man began to speak to me, my stomach cramped again, and I bent over to be sick yet one more time.

“I can help you...” he continued, “I am a “Pai-de-Santo” (upon literal translation, a “Saint’s Father”). I will give you my phone number. I have a spiritual centre which is not too far from here. We can help you there...”

All I could think of was to get away from there and from that man. “For the love of God, please just leave me alone...” I begged him.

I saw a taxi coming and signalled to the driver. He stopped and I quickly jumped into the back seat, leaving the man behind and not even remembering to say anything to my friends.

The next morning, when I awoke under the unpleasant effects of a massive hangover, I remembered the episode in awe. How could that be? How could a man I had never seen, and who had certainly never known me, come up to me like that and spill out my life as if he knew me intimately? Could it really have been because he had seen such things, as he had said, in the “region above my eyes”? What was it all? A hoax? A trick? But how?

Naturally, in those days, I had never heard, read or even imagined the possibility of the existence of occurrences such as consciousness projection, subtle energies, holographic projections of thought forms or the existence of energy centres upon our bodies known as chakras. Science has taken giant leaps in the studies of the subtle forms of energies, ever since the surfacing of the mysteries of quantum physics, but it is still very distant from understanding what the mystics have been saying for so long.

We now know as a fact that the human consciousness, or our intent in observing the reality around us, collapses quantum waves into particles and effectively plays a significant role in the elaboration and creation of our “realities”. If the mind is capable of collapsing quantum waves into particles, how does this interaction take place? Could “Consciousness” be the ultimate abstraction of the quantum field, the foundation upon which all things are created? Certain processes, however, either by ignorance, pride, or fear of ridicule, are still disregarded or treated as within the realms of the absurd and the fantastic. The vast majority of people simply consider them as “not possible”. But we can take many examples of mistaken “unshakable” beliefs that mankind has held along the centuries as “undeniable truths”: that the world was flat (of course, otherwise we would fall off its edge); that God made the first woman from one of Adam's ribs; that the sun, the moon and the stars rotate around our small planet, which for being the home of man certainly had to be the centre of the universe; that “time” was a constant; that the atom, with its nucleus of protons and neutrons, around which rotates the electron, was the “smallest fundamental particle that formed the universe...” The examples could go on forever. Our knowledge of the universe around us and of its nature, despite the new discoveries that in particular within the last century have come to us in leaps and bounds, still seem to only scrape the surface of all that there is to know, leaving us without answers to our most profound questions. What is, indeed, the nature of our reality? Why are we here? Who or what are we? Where do we come from and where are we going? Are we immortal souls, or merely physical beings with a limited lifespan and, consequently, existence? Are our consciousness, our thoughts, our notion of self, merely the results of electro-chemical discharges of our brains, or does our brain work as an instrument by which the Soul-Consciousness can manifest in the physical realm? Oh, and the ultimate question, is there a God?

At the age of twenty-eight, I had already discarded such beliefs. Despite my experience with Luiz Felipe, my own understanding of the universe was that, just as when we squash an ant that is the end of its insignificant existence, why should we be any different? When it is over, it is over, right? “C’est la vie…” But life took care to it that I should start to believe otherwise...

During a class I was giving in the afternoon after the night of my encounter with that unknown man, I commented on what had happened to one of my students. She listened to my narrative with great curiosity, but did not seem to be very much surprised.

“Charles, I can imagine how taken back you must be, but I assure you that such things are a reality. I myself frequent a spiritual centre, and have experienced many things which one could say are well beyond what most people consider as “normal”. Would you like me to set up an appointment at my centre for a consultation? The medium who runs the centre gives the Búzios consultations incorporated by a spiritual entity known as Aunt Rita.

Out of sheer curiosity, I said: “Sure, why not?”

To be continued...
 
Ah, so my memory has been corrupted and nothing I encountered is as I remember it because I was conned by a very clever system but no one know exactly how it works and my memory has played tricks on me.
Next time you are online, google "strawman logical fallacy."

PS - Oh my God, Mrs. carlitos is at the dentist too. What are the odds of that?!!111?!?
 

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