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Heiwa's bathroom scale experiment

WARNING! As you are not very rigid, you may kill yourself, jumping on your bathroom scale. Actually, you will prove that the upper block of WTC1 would be destroyed, when impacting the lower structure (the scale) which is very good. R.I.P.
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Heiwa, you're claiming that the force I would exert impacting the bathroom scale after jumping from 3.7 meters is equal to my weight.

If you are correct (which you're not), then according to Newton's third law, the reaction force on my body during the time of impact will also be equal to my own weight.

In other words, the reaction force acting on me would be the same whether I'm standing on the scale or landing on it from 3.7 meters up. At least, that's what you seem to be suggesting.

Now I wonder. Why the warning in your OP not to jump on the scale? Shouldn't the two scenarios be equally safe?

For what it's worth, I think Heiwa's a parody troll.
 
So nobody managed to do the experiment! To fat to get up 3.7 m on a ladder? Eaten too many pizzas? Didn't dare to jump? Or no bathroom scale or ladder at home? Homeless? Bank took the scale? You are broke? In the street? No bathroom?

Regardless - one purpose of the experiment was just to show that it was very unlikely that the upper block of WTC1 climbed up 3.7 m on a ladder and then jumped! Anybody suggesting the contrary is a con man.

I know you will argue that the upper block was already at the top of the ladder and that Usama Bin Laden suddenly removed the ladder, so that the upper block just dropped, but it is evidently ridiculous. UBL was hiding in a cave somewhere.

Another purpose of the experiment was to show that if anybody is so stupid to jump from 3.7 m on a scale, anybody will get hurt unless anybody is Bazant that crushes the scale and unhurt passes through the bathroom floor on his way somewhere. Bazant is indestructible (rigid) until he comes down on Earth. Only then Bazant is crushed-up.

But Bazant has not yet arrived on Earth. He is still floating in his ivory tower, suspended in fantasy. The NWO hoodlums love him and keep him afloat.

But one day Bazant will drop to the ground and get hurt.

Anyway - thanks for your assistance to debunk Bazant. It was a pleasure to do it and I am glad nobody got hurt.
 
Mel Odious said:
Heiwa, you're claiming that the force I would exert impacting the bathroom scale after jumping from 3.7 meters is equal to my weight.

If you are correct (which you're not), then according to Newton's third law, the reaction force on my body during the time of impact will also be equal to my own weight.

In other words, the reaction force acting on me would be the same whether I'm standing on the scale or landing on it from 3.7 meters up. At least, that's what you seem to be suggesting.

Now I wonder. Why the warning in your OP not to jump on the scale? Shouldn't the two scenarios be equally safe?

For what it's worth, I think Heiwa's a parody troll.
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No, I am just claiming that your mass m is constant during your jump, e.g. your weight is same before and after jump (apart from weight lost due climbing ladder). Same force F is always acting on your bulk m, i.e. F = mg.

When you impact the scale you will evidently get hurt, but even then your weight hasn't changed. A damping force is evidently applied to your body and affects it and stops it after contact with scale but your weight remains the same. And maybe your weight is now divided into subweights?

According Bazant though, you will not get hurt (if you are rigid, of course. Basic false assumption!). Then only the scale will get damaged. There is no damping force acting on your 'weight' according Bazant and you continue to drop at free fall! Magic! As I say, this NWO physics is amazing. It is a real conspiracy theory.
 
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Heiwa said:
So nobody managed to do the experiment! To fat to get up 3.7 m on a ladder? Eaten too many pizzas? Didn't dare to jump? Or no bathroom scale or ladder at home? Homeless? Bank took the scale? You are broke? In the street? No bathroom?

Regardless - one purpose of the experiment was just to show that it was very unlikely that the upper block of WTC1 climbed up 3.7 m on a ladder and then jumped! Anybody suggesting the contrary is a con man.

I know you will argue that the upper block was already at the top of the ladder and that Usama Bin Laden suddenly removed the ladder, so that the upper block just dropped, but it is evidently ridiculous. UBL was hiding in a cave somewhere.

Another purpose of the experiment was to show that if anybody is so stupid to jump from 3.7 m on a scale, anybody will get hurt unless anybody is Bazant that crushes the scale and unhurt passes through the bathroom floor on his way somewhere. Bazant is indestructible (rigid) until he comes down on Earth. Only then Bazant is crushed-up.

But Bazant has not yet arrived on Earth. He is still floating in his ivory tower, suspended in fantasy. The NWO hoodlums love him and keep him afloat.

But one day Bazant will drop to the ground and get hurt.

Anyway - thanks for your assistance to debunk Bazant. It was a pleasure to do it and I am glad nobody got hurt.
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Are you for real?
 
Heiwa said:
I must be! I just woke up and found plenty of posts supporting our joint debunking of Bazant. That makes me real.
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You are the only one that thinks anything in this thread debunks Bazant.

That is, if you are not just an elaborate troll.
 
The Realtor thought I was insane when I specified a need for bathrooms with 3.7 meter ceiling clearances for scale experiments. They also thought that I was nuts for making sure the house wasn't in a Leprechaun Nature Preserve.

So, I way 148 pounds even though the scale always reads it as 165 (mental note: bathroom scales are not sympathetic to ones state of denial) but from 30 centimeters it reads first 250 then 98 then 220 then 140 and then it settles on 148 165 pounds.

Great, so we've established that scales measure force and not mass but it's not like we didn't already know that so I wonder...........what is the point of all this?
 
Mel Odious said:
Heiwa, you're claiming that the force I would exert impacting the bathroom scale after jumping from 3.7 meters is equal to my weight.

If you are correct (which you're not), then according to Newton's third law, the reaction force on my body during the time of impact will also be equal to my own weight.

In other words, the reaction force acting on me would be the same whether I'm standing on the scale or landing on it from 3.7 meters up. At least, that's what you seem to be suggesting.

Now I wonder. Why the warning in your OP not to jump on the scale? Shouldn't the two scenarios be equally safe?

For what it's worth, I think Heiwa's a parody troll.
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You have fallen into the trap of Heiwa. :)
 
Heiwa,
If your anaolgy were correct, people who were able to stand on a coffee table without incident would also be able to jump down on those coffee tables without incident. Or onto their porch roofs, or down onto cars, or ... any number of items that can take a static weight but collapse under that same weight if applied dynamically.

The number of clips submitted to shows like "You've Been Framed" would refute that.
 
Heiwa said:
I must be! I just woke up and found plenty of posts supporting our joint debunking of Bazant. That makes me real.
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Then you had to go and say that.. Heiwa, I was thinking the answer to your realness was a yes with a wink. Sock puppet implies a second account of someone in particular, and I can't say that. Troll is a strong term, and you are just mostly kind of fun and cuddly, from what I've seen. Point is, I have a hard time - nay, I don't even bother - trying to believe you believe the things you are typing. This thread sealed it, you seem to be performing rather than arguing for real, and I'm thinking you are A-okay whatever your motive, like you aren't even trying to seem real and just being funny.

But asserting something this concrete is sure to provoke rebuttals and arguments and waste time in a bad way, with people angry (not everyone's as perceptive as me!) Stay cuddly and not to flammable and you have my blessing at least, for what it's worth.

- CL
 
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I see that since Heiwa has no argument to the MIT lecture I found, he's clearly ignored it. Would someone repost the video again and keep asking him about it until he finally acknowledges his mistake?

Again, this is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfTE4J87aQQ

What's key to watch is from 29 minutes to 31 minutes where the professor explains that Heiwa's wrong.

Then from 31 minutes to 40 minutes where the professor does the experiment Heiwa wants us to do. Pay close attention to the graph of the weight vs. time where it clearly spikes to 3X the weight when the force gauge / weight hits the foam.

chillzero, [X], or anyone else not on his ignore list, I urge you to keep posting this video until he finally acknowledges it and answers to it.
 
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Okay Heiwa.... I tried it on my bathroom scale which can hold up to 350 pounds. Static weight (which has me stepping on it) reads 250 pounds. I got my ladder and climbed to the roof making sure my scale was directly in my line of view so I could jump on it.

So anyway I jumped off the roof and landed on the scale. Upon landing the scale jumped to 350 and shattered, along with my left pelvic bone, my femur, two ribs, 5 vertebra, both wrists and my right ankle. :boxedin:

Kids what did we learn about dynamic loads?
 
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After reading the OP, I couldn't believe that there were 3 pages to this thread. I'm not going to read them, but I hope that it is 3 pages of people making fun of the idiocy of the OP.

On a more serious note, I think Heiwa is allegedly some kind of engineer; is that correct? Has anyone ever published a list of all the structures that Heiwa ever worked on so that we can never be caught inside of one?

I've never taken a single course in engineering or physics, but it seems to me that neither has Heiwa.

ETA: Jumping from 3.7 meters!?!?!? Can I send Heiwa the hospital bills when I'm done?
 
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Heiwa, you have vaporized one too many joints! http://heiwaco.tripod.com/nist1.htm#9

If only energy could talk, E=1/2mv2 But who cares about physics. Ignore gravity, murder physics, and vaporize some joints, you have a Heiwa special theory of CTery on 9/11.

Is it the higher math, like the V2 that stumps Heiwa?

Cool, the mass is the same, but you ignore the rest of the story; mv anyone? Where are the vaporized joints?
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Oops, there are vaporized crosses in the steel of the WTC! Heiwa, was...

What do I do after I break my legs jumping, falling from 3.7 meters? Do I go to hospital? Get new scale?

Who is challenged enough to jump on scales from 12.1 feet? E=mgh
 
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Heiwa said:
So nobody managed to do the experiment! To fat to get up 3.7 m on a ladder? Eaten too many pizzas? Didn't dare to jump? Or no bathroom scale or ladder at home? Homeless? Bank took the scale? You are broke? In the street? No bathroom?

Regardless - one purpose of the experiment was just to show that it was very unlikely that the upper block of WTC1 climbed up 3.7 m on a ladder and then jumped! Anybody suggesting the contrary is a con man.

I know you will argue that the upper block was already at the top of the ladder and that Usama Bin Laden suddenly removed the ladder, so that the upper block just dropped, but it is evidently ridiculous. UBL was hiding in a cave somewhere.

Another purpose of the experiment was to show that if anybody is so stupid to jump from 3.7 m on a scale, anybody will get hurt unless anybody is Bazant that crushes the scale and unhurt passes through the bathroom floor on his way somewhere. Bazant is indestructible (rigid) until he comes down on Earth. Only then Bazant is crushed-up.

But Bazant has not yet arrived on Earth. He is still floating in his ivory tower, suspended in fantasy. The NWO hoodlums love him and keep him afloat.

But one day Bazant will drop to the ground and get hurt.

Anyway - thanks for your assistance to debunk Bazant. It was a pleasure to do it and I am glad nobody got hurt.
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How does one respond to such blatant idiocy? I mean seriously, jump on a bathroom scale to prove the upper block of WTC could not crush the lower block? You can't make this stuff up (Well Heiwa can. He should be a science fiction writer).
 
I propose we throw a link to this thread in the RationalWiki entry on Poe's Law.
 
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I tried the experiment. When I jumped on the scale the house next to mine collapsed straight down into its own footprint at freefall speed! :jaw-dropp
 
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