Hegseth Impeachment

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It looks like momentum is building to finally get the White Nationalist, Predatory Alcoholic ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ to face impeachment charges for none of the previous adjectives. Thomas Massie, (R) KY, is filing these 8 impeachment charges (to be brought to the floor within three days) against Hegseth for high crimes and misdemeanors:
  • 3 charges for illegally waging war against Iran in violation of the War Powers Resolution
  • 1 charge for ignoring laws designed to minimize civilian casualties
  • 1 charge for overseeing "extrajudicial killings" in the Caribbean Sea and Eastern Pacific Ocean with strikes on alleged drug boats
  • 1 charge for suppressing free speech, brought in connection to the effort to punish Sen. Mark Kelly, D-Ariz., for a video telling service members they can refuse illegal orders
  • 1 charge for the capture of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro without congressional authorization
  • 1 charge for illegally waging war against Yemen in violation of the War Powers Resolution
In light of the political climate, I can see the few required additional Republican House votes supporting at least 3 or 4 of these charges. The Senate probably wouldn’t convict before January but it could give Trump pause. Despite the slew of miserable losses he has wrought, his loss of the Iran War will forever tarnish his ego and whatever shambles of a reputation remains among his hard core.

Will he demand resignation? Will Hegseth fall on his sword for his commander in chief? Will Stephen Von Miller keep him alive? Will he beam up to Planet X?

John Oliver did a pretty great takedown:

 
This is like charging the delivery driver for bringing you food with salmonella.
All Hegseth has to do is present the orders given by Trump, and should be in the clear if Trump is not being impeached, too.

The only possible argument is that the DoD should have refused certain orders from the White House without Congressional Approval, or on reasons of violation of International Law. But this Supreme Court had made it very clear that the basic assumption is that the President gets to order anyone around he gets to appoint, and that everything that might be considered "part of your job" required massive evidence of misconduct to be investigatable (probably not a word), never mind prosecutable.

Hegseth had every reason to claim that we was "only following orders".
 
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Aaron Rupar
@atrupar
Massie: "I hope Hegseth addresses the 8 articles of impeachment, and doesn‘t get up and misquote the Bible in Quentin Tarantino fashion and do some pull-ups and call everybody fat and gay. I may have just given you half his speech, I don't know."
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The Great Zaganza said:
This is like charging the delivery driver for bringing you food with salmonella.
All Hegseth has to do is present the orders given by Trump, and should be in the clear if Trump is not being impeached, too.

The only possible argument is that the DoD should have refused certain orders from the White House without Congressional Approval, or on reasons of violation of International Law. But this Supreme Court had made it very clear that the basic assumption is that the President gets to order anyone around he gets to appoint, and that everything that might be considered "part of your job" required massive evidence of misconduct to be investigatable (probably not a word), never mind prosecutable.

Hegseth had every reason to claim that we was "only following orders".
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The thing is if the white house was giving him illegal orders, Kegsbreath was legally obliged not to follow him. Problem is, they were mostly written at his direction.

Do you think that TACO is going to put these kinds of orders over his own sinature? His hero didn't.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
The thing is if the white house was giving him illegal orders, Kegsbreath was legally obliged not to follow him. Problem is, they were mostly written at his direction.

Do you think that TACO is going to put these kinds of orders over his own sinature? His hero didn't.
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Then Heggie issued illegal orders off his own bat. I recall he was particularly gung-ho about them, so I suspect he had a hand in at least writing them.

Also, he could be dragging the military legal beagles into this. If they had sighted these orders, why did they rubber-stamp them? Of if they objected, why were they overridden, and by whom?
 
Norman Alexander said:
Then Heggie issued illegal orders off his own bat. I recall he was particularly gung-ho about them, so I suspect he had a hand in at least writing them.

Also, he could be dragging the military legal beagles into this. If they had sighted these orders, why did they rubber-stamp them? Of if they objected, why were they overridden, and by whom?
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Remember they were told about illegal orders and wanted to charge with treason the veteran senators reminding the service personnel of their legal duty to disobey illegal orders
 
If Hegeseth can't produce orders authorizing lethal force against vaguely defined drug smuggling invaders. he should be thrown in jail for life for mass killing of civilians.
Everyone in the chain of command up and down needs to face jail time.
 
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

Pete Hegseth gets an "A" PLUS, PLUS, PLUS for his defense against a disgruntled, angry, defeated, former Congressman, Thomas Massie, a TOTAL LOSER!

President DJT
 
Hegseth on Impeachment:

It tells our enemies that the US will actually punish its own warriors and its own civilian leadership for successfully executing lawful military operations.

It tells them that a single rogue legislator loaded with personal animus for the president can attempt to veto national security decisions made by the duly elected commander in chief.

It puts a target on the backs of American warriors by signaling that Congress will undermine their missions in real time. This is not patriotism. This is sabotage.

Video in link
 
Andy_Ross said:
Hegseth on Impeachment:

It tells our enemies that the US will actually punish its own warriors and its own civilian leadership for successfully executing lawful military operations.

It tells them that a single rogue legislator loaded with personal animus for the president can attempt to veto national security decisions made by the duly elected commander in chief.

It puts a target on the backs of American warriors by signaling that Congress will undermine their missions in real time. This is not patriotism. This is sabotage.

Video in link
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"Sorry Pete, but securing your place as head warmonger isn't the same as securing the country !"
 
Tara Copp
@TaraCopp

A security agent for Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth just warned the reporters here — for Hegseth’s first press conference in 6 months — that we will be physically removed from the briefing room if we are not professional and maintain decorum.
We asked if that meant no shouted questions and got no clarity. It’s the first time any of us could ever remember being threatened like this.
Shouted questions are normal. “This is crazy town” one journalist said, noting the White House has never threatened reporters like that.
We’re in the room, back row:
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

Defeated Republican Congressman Thomas Massie, a total loser, is trying to Impeach perhaps the most popular and successful military official in the Country, Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth.
With recruitment at an ALL-TIME HIGH, from an all-time low under Sleepy Joe Biden, and TWO VICTORIES, Venezuela and Iran, Pete Hegseth should be praised, not Impeached.
Congress, stand up for Pete!!!
President DJT
 
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