• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Heeeeeeere's Obamacare!

Thank you Mike - so you're family's back with the doctor you want again?
 
Mike! said:
Follow up... Well, as much as I'd like to find a way to blame the ACA for the insurance problem we're presently having, I can't. Unless I can blame the ACA for a stupid clerical error that has now been straightened out, I guess. :blush:
Click to expand...

Thanks, Obama!!!

;)
 
Mike! said:
Follow up... Well, as much as I'd like to find a way to blame the ACA for the insurance problem we're presently having, I can't. Unless I can blame the ACA for a stupid clerical error that has now been straightened out, I guess. :blush:
Click to expand...

My hat's off to you, sir. Most people are not so willing to admit their errors with regard to political issues.

*tips hat*
 
I still hear horror stories about people who had great insurance with premiums less than one third of the ACA policies sold on the exchange. The trick is none of these people has ever experienced a really serious medical condition that would test the limits of their heath insurance policy. Just as most homeowners that pay for fire insurance never have a house burn to the ground. The premiums they paid gave them the illusion of being insured.
 
Last edited:
I took the advice and got sick, so far expanded Medicaid is handling my breast cancer swiftly and (to my perspective) cheaply.
 
sunmaster14 said:
Why do you think those systems work better than the US system?
Click to expand...
There's no massive amount of uninsured and they're two to three times cheaper.

In what bubble have you been living?
sunmaster14 said:
Also, the US health care market has almost no market mechanism at all.
Click to expand...
Yes it does, the individual market.

And now that it's finally being regulated, the uninsured rate is dropping massively, and the cost curve is being bent.
 
Last edited:
Peephole said:
...

And now that it's finally being regulated, the uninsured rate is dropping massively,
Click to expand...
Where do you find that statistic?

and the cost curve is being bent.
Click to expand...
Upwards too often. Or do you have a cite showing decreases?

ACA == VA system.

http://www.cleveland.com/obrien/index.ssf/2014/05/where_va_has_taken_veterans_ob.html#incart_river

The experience of veterans who get their medical care at the sufferance of the VA should be instructive to all Americans. The VA offers precisely what Obamacare offers: not a guarantee of treatment in time of need, but a guarantee of a place in line for treatment at a time of the bureaucracy's choosing. For some, that time will never come.

Bureaucracies rightly see people as captive clients, not as customers free to take their business elsewhere. (If Obamacare is allowed to remain the law, eventually there will be no "elsewhere.") So the place in line can change — or simply disappear — to suit the needs of the bureaucracy. Unless, of course, you "know somebody."

Put government in charge of health care and medical need will be well down the list of reasons for making any decision.

When abuses come to light, everyone will be mad as hell. But after a little window dressing, the same system, based on the same false promise, with the same deficiencies and the same impossible mission, will go on and on.
Click to expand...
 
Peephole said:
...

And now that it's finally being regulated, the uninsured rate is dropping massively,
Click to expand...
Where do you find that statistic?

and the cost curve is being bent.
Click to expand...
Upwards too often. Or do you have a cite showing decreases?

ACA == VA system.

http://www.cleveland.com/obrien/index.ssf/2014/05/where_va_has_taken_veterans_ob.html#incart_river

The experience of veterans who get their medical care at the sufferance of the VA should be instructive to all Americans. The VA offers precisely what Obamacare offers: not a guarantee of treatment in time of need, but a guarantee of a place in line for treatment at a time of the bureaucracy's choosing. For some, that time will never come.

Bureaucracies rightly see people as captive clients, not as customers free to take their business elsewhere. (If Obamacare is allowed to remain the law, eventually there will be no "elsewhere.") So the place in line can change — or simply disappear — to suit the needs of the bureaucracy. Unless, of course, you "know somebody."

Put government in charge of health care and medical need will be well down the list of reasons for making any decision.

When abuses come to light, everyone will be mad as hell. But after a little window dressing, the same system, based on the same false promise, with the same deficiencies and the same impossible mission, will go on and on.
Click to expand...
 
Totally valid argument.

I stopped paying my electric bill and they cut off the power.

Which proves my point: Electricity doesn't work.
 
The VA offers precisely what Obamacare offers: not a guarantee of treatment in time of need, but a guarantee of a place in line for treatment at a time of the bureaucracy's choosing.
Click to expand...


I don't think "precisely" means what he thinks it means. I would be interested to hear how the author thinks Obamacare actually works. Either he is woefully misinformed, or deliberately misinforming. Probably a mixture of both.
 
boooeee said:
I would be interested to hear how the author thinks Obamacare actually works. Either he is woefully misinformed, or deliberately misinforming. Probably a mixture of both.
Click to expand...

I think some of the blame for that lies with the administration.

Very few seem to grasp exactly what the bill does or doesn't say, and even that seems to be a moving target.

With an act this complicated and this poorly communicated, its only natural for there to be confusion about how it will end up working in practice.

I know I'm confused! :boggled:
 
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-insurance-bailout-20140521-story.html#page=1

The Obama administration has quietly adjusted key provisions of its signature healthcare law to potentially make billions of additional taxpayer dollars available to the insurance industry if companies providing coverage through the Affordable Care Act lose money.

The move was buried in hundreds of pages of new regulations issued late last week. It comes as part of an intensive administration effort to hold down premium increases for next year, a top priority for the White House as the rates will be announced ahead of this fall's congressional elections.

Administration officials for months have denied charges by opponents that they plan a "bailout" for insurance companies providing coverage under the healthcare law.

They continue to argue that most insurers shouldn't need to substantially increase premiums because safeguards in the healthcare law will protect them over the next several years.
Click to expand...

A fair example of how complex this bill still is I suppose
 
Last edited:
Fast Eddie B said:
I think some of the blame for that lies with the administration.

Very few seem to grasp exactly what the bill does or doesn't say, and even that seems to be a moving target.

With an act this complicated and this poorly communicated, its only natural for there to be confusion about how it will end up working in practice.

I know I'm confused! :boggled:
Click to expand...

A big part of the problem may be the barrage of negative advertising aimed at the ACA.

Kantar estimates that national advertising against the ACA cost $418 million, compared with $27 million for ads supporting the law. Kantar calls the anti-ACA spending "unprecedented [and] largely unanswered."
Click to expand...

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpoli...obamacare-buried-by-avalanche-of-negative-ads
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom