Split Thread Heart transplant not for muslins

[carlitos]

Yeah, who wouldn't want to get into a contentious dialogue with a jerk who yells at women in the park.

 

[catsmate]

The difference is just semantics really.

No it isn't.

 

[Steve]

No it isn't.

Is too.

 

[The Atheist]

Yeah, who wouldn't want to get into a contentious dialogue with a jerk who yells at women in the park.

Nice strawman you built there. Let me know if you need a hand setting fire to it.

I don't shout at women.

 

[theprestige]

I don't shout at women.

I'm pretty sure nobody here thinks patriarchy is a virtue that rehabilitates your position.

 

[arthwollipot]

It's from Porridge, a 1970s British sitcom.

Ah, that explains it. It never made much sense to me before. But now I see that its origin is a comedy that never made much sense to me anyway, so I guess it follows.

 

[arthwollipot]

Plenty of people leave their religion. The muslin women in every western country must be sickened when they see ordinary women able to act as they wish, while their man decides what they can wear, who they can talk to, and even what job they can do. I'm a bad person to take to parks in West Auckland in the heat of summer, because I'll go up to women and tell them they don't need to wear a burka and are only doing so because their goat-******* husband has them under his control.

Have you ever actually asked someone why they're wearing it? What was their reply?

 

[llwyd]

I'm not the biggest fan of Islam - or the Catholic Church for that matter - but I well know that a huge majority of Muslims and Catholics are decent and good people (however unfortunate their beliefs may be) and who moreover have a myriad private interpretations of their faith, and many who basically practice it pretty minimally. To conflate almost two billion people in one negative category is basically just hate speech - the same has been done for Jews, for atheists, for gays etc. etc. It's quite disgusting tbh.

 

[abaddon]

Have you ever actually asked someone why they're wearing it? What was their reply?

Dunno. Muslin is a cloth of a single fabric consistent with biblical commands, I suppose.

 

[erlando]

I see now where theprestige gets their disdain for atheists..

 

[Roger Ramjets]

I'm not even going to mention the most-revolting things of all

You're not?

- female genital mutilation and dishonour killings.

Should have known you would break your word in the very same sentence.

I don't shout at women.

We've already established that you say one thing and do another, so why should we believe this statement?

A pig's heart has been transplanted into a man in Baltimore...

Jews and muslins need not apply

And an antisemite too!

ethical issues around pig heart transplants

Although Jewish law forbids Jews from raising or eating pigs, receiving a pig heart is "not in any way a violation of the Jewish dietary laws", says Dr Moshe Freedman, a senior London rabbi who sits on the UK Health Department's Moral and Ethical Advisory Group (MEAG).

"Since the primary concern in Jewish law is the preservation of human life, a Jewish patient would be obligated to accept a transplant from an animal if this offered the greatest chance of survival and the best quality of life in the future," Rabbi Freedman told the BBC.

 

[arthwollipot]

I see now where theprestige gets their disdain for atheists..

The Atheist is not the one I would choose to represent us at the Grand Cosmic Conclave, but I've come to respect him in other ways.

 

[Pixel42]

For the record: if I encounter someone who believes that I, being a woman, should be denied education and only allowed to leave the house if covered head to foot and accompanied by a male relative, I am going to take exception to both the belief and the person choosing to hold it. I don't think that makes me a bigot.

 

[The Atheist]

I don't think that makes me a bigot.

Apparently it does.

I've come to realise how dreadfully bigoted I am.

I'm also bigoted towards capital C Conservatives/MAGAfilth, antivaxers, psychics, the Chinese Communist Party and snake oil salesmen. And I'm sure that's not an exhaustive list.

 

[The Don]

For the record: if I encounter someone who believes that I, being a woman, should be denied education and only allowed to leave the house if covered head to foot and accompanied by a male relative, I am going to take exception to both the belief and the person choosing to hold it. I don't think that makes me a bigot.

True, but if you extend that to include all followers of a faith even though they don't hold any of those views then you are.

 

[Pixel42]

True, but if you extend that to include all followers of a faith even though they don't hold any of those views then you are.

As llwyd points out there are many good, decent people who are good, decent Moslems without holding the beliefs I find objectionable, which reinforces the view that such beliefs are freely chosen.

 

[Olmstead]

As llwyd points out there are many good, decent people who are good, decent Moslems without holding the beliefs I find objectionable, which reinforces the view that such beliefs are freely chosen.

That's highly arguable (for any Abrahamic religion).

I extend Muslims the same courtesy that I extend to Christians: maybe they don't really believe any of the bad stuff their crazy book says. But it's a weird position to start at. Their book, the very basis for their beliefs, literally says those things!

I certainly wouldn't extend the same courtesy to any other movement.

 

[The Don]

As llwyd points out there are many good, decent people who are good, decent Moslems without holding the beliefs I find objectionable, which reinforces the view that such beliefs are freely chosen.

OTOH The Atheist seems to ascribe the most extreme views of a minority of Muslims to all Muslim.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Sharia law usually has no problem with stem cell research or therapy.

 

[Steve]

I see now where theprestige gets their disdain for atheists..

I'll bite - where?