Health-care reform: what do we do now?

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So, today we had the big summit.

We heard what the GOP and the Democrats have in common, and how they differ.

Its now pretty much all out there.

So, what do we do now?

The Democrats and Obama clearly do not wanna "start over". We see this as just a way of killing reform.

We think it would be better to simply adjust the plan that has already been passed by the Senate.

I suggest this: if the GOPers refuse to work towards amending the Senate plan, then the Democrats should do it...themselves.

That's right. I think the Senate and the House Democrats, should put in those Republican ideas that seem to be the most productive and the most popular with the American people, and pass such a bill through reconciliation.

So, Obama, the House Dems, the Senate Dems, and any GOPers who are willing to work with them, should put together a final plan..which includes GOP ideas, and pass that in Congress.

That's my idea of how to finally end this....mess.
 
Since the Republics wasted the day with campaign speeches instead of substantive discussion, it's hard not to conclude what their plan is here.

Move ahead, include the ideas they want that make sense and pass the legislation without their votes.
 
Democrats should've figured it out after the 2nd or 3rd time the Republicans refused to come to the negotiation table. Instead, it's over a year and the Democrats are finally realizing that the GOP simply doesn't think there is a problem with health care, or they don't care.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Since the Republics wasted the day with campaign speeches instead of substantive discussion, it's hard not to conclude what their plan is here.

Move ahead, include the ideas they want that make sense and pass the legislation without their votes.
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Is this likely to happen?
 
I meant passing it without their votes.

Is the general feeling in the States that some form of comprehensive health care will pass soon? Or is it generally regarded as dead?
 
There would be a certain irony value at least, considering that the ideas now being brought forward by the GOP are the very same ones they kicked around -- but failed to pass -- back when they controlled the White House and Congress.

I'd ask whether the Dems, in including those Republican ideas that seem to be the most productive and the most popular with the American people, would be doing so because they wanted to be more productive, or because they wanted to be more popular? Because if it's the latter, then assuming that the reforms bring about the changes they are expected to bring, those results should give them more popularity than they'll know what to do with. Tossing the GOP a bone by including one or two of their ideas even though it really isn't necessary and even though they are the very ones who did their best to kill the legislation -- that just seems like really rubbing it in.
 
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I meant passing it without their votes.

Is the general feeling in the States that some form of comprehensive health care will pass soon? Or is it generally regarded as dead?
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People who want it are like Chuck Yeager in that scene in The Right Stuff, where his rocket plane is just...about...at the edge of space, he sees the wisps of cloud and atmosphere parting, with black and stars beyond, so close...so close...

But the gravity of horrible polls saying stop, you bastards, quickly yanks his plane back downward, and it spins out of control.

At this point, they're trying to decide whether to eject, like Yeager did, and let the ejection seat's rocket goop get under their helmet and burn the hell out of their faces, or to just ride with the plane straight into the ground out of spite.
 
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Beerina said:
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Whilst I think you should refrain from posting in any more healthcare threads until you have returned to the questions you have left unanswered (particularly concerning your signature) in all the others you've participated in over the past few years, I'm interested in this point.

What, exactly, do you mean by "exacerbate"? You don't even seem to think there's a problem with American healthcare provision, let alone that it needs substantial repair... Spell out your criticisms of the plan on the table, and let's hear your alternatives for fixing the problems (or your defence of the status quo, should you not think there are problems). Whilst you're doing that, you might also want to defend useless, counter-productive and essentially childish Republican minority gainsaying and abuse of procedures to prevent the elected governement of your country passing the reforms they both voted for and desperately need.
 
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This bill all seems so messy now. I'm not particularly a fan of complete socialized healthcare, but I do see the value in providing for those who would otherwise be unprovided for. I believe our current system does need revision, but not in the way that completely socializes it. I think what I'd prefer to see is more effective spending in the program already in place (Medicare and Medicaid), tort reform (yes, label me a republican, even though I'm not), and reform on FDA drug standards. :teacher:
 
i hope...i pray..that the Dems do exactly as I suggested (which I believe they will), and add more GOP ideas to the Obama plan, and pass it through reconciliation.

I do believe with time, say in a year or two, the country will be happy that they did this.
 
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub.../healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform

Ok. according to Tuesday's Rasmussen poll, a good majority of American do NOT like Obama's plan.

this..is not good. I want Congress to do what we believe it right for America, but I don't know how wise it is to pass legislation that a good majority of Americans do not want.

I now have to see the final bill, the final bill to be passed by the Senate, before I can make my call.

But it does not look good. I do not want Congress to pass a Bill that would lead to our loss of the House or even the Senate.

ugg.
 
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