Health Care is Easy...

My plan is even easier than all that. You choose any provider you want, go to them for treatment and then pay them. Kind of like how we deal with food distribution and housing. We have a safety net for the poor and everyone else pays for what they use. You can't get simpler than that.

Seems something is missing. Perhaps you could give us the conservative solution to that there "safety net" you're speaking of. Or perhaps we're heading for yet another "Who knew how complicated health care is...." moment?
 
My plan is even easier than all that. You choose any provider you want, go to them for treatment and then pay them. Kind of like how we deal with food distribution and housing. We have a safety net for the poor and everyone else pays for what they use. You can't get simpler than that.

The difference -- and don't even pretend you don't understand this -- is that subsistence food and housing can be paid for by someone earning relatively little money. Even a penniless, homeless person can survive in shelters and soup kitchens. But the costs of health care are literally unlimited. Premiums on the Iowa exchange just went up because one patient with a severe chronic illness is costing $1 million a month. And someone who can't afford basic preventive care is likely to put off treatment until he lands in an emergency room, where he gets uncompensated care paid for by everybody else.

What is your objection to the basic premise of insurance? Everyone needs health care, if not this week or even this year, then sooner or later, and if you're unlucky you'll need treatment for cancer or heart disease or getting run over by a bus. Sharing costs across the widest base is the only way to guarantee that everyone will get the care he needs when he needs it. If you want to argue that health care is a luxury good, and someone who can't afford it doesn't deserve it, you won't find much support outside the Freedom Caucus, and even they are starting to smarten up.
 
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How big is your group? What are you going to do if some members require expensive, long-term care for chronic conditions? State-wide premiums for one company just went up in Iowa partly because one patient was racking up bills of $1 million per month. Can your plan handle that? And how big is your provider network? Will a large number of local doctors and hospitals accept your plan? Or are your members restricted to using one hospital and the docs who practice there?
Seems like you can never find a death panel when you need one.
 
Seems something is missing. Perhaps you could give us the conservative solution to that there "safety net" you're speaking of. Or perhaps we're heading for yet another "Who knew how complicated health care is...." moment?

We have had a medical safety net for a long time now. No need to reinvent the wheel, just maybe improve it a bit.
 
We have had a medical safety net for a long time now. No need to reinvent the wheel, just maybe improve it a bit.

The "safety net" is that emergency rooms are required to keep people alive if they can, and some states allow some people to enroll in Medicaid if they can meet tough restrictions. The other alternative is that people get expensive care billed at retail rates, then declare bankruptcy. There is no safety net for the working poor who need treatment for major issues or chronic conditions -- and "working poor" could include pretty much everybody without insurancei if life happens. I repeat, what is your objection to the basic principle of insurance? Or do you think people who can't afford to pay for care out of pocket just shouldn't get it?
 
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The difference -- and don't even pretend you don't understand this -- is that subsistence food and housing can be paid for by someone earning relatively little money. Even a penniless, homeless person can survive in shelters and soup kitchens. But the costs of health care are literally unlimited.
So really, the key is determining what the functional equivalent of "shelters and soup kitchens" is in healthcare.
Premiums on the Iowa exchange just went up because one patient with a severe chronic illness is costing $1 million a month.
That brings up the next couple of questions: Why does that condition cost so much? Should a healthcare system be expected to meet every need of every citizen regardless of how much it costs?
And someone who can't afford basic preventive care is likely to put off treatment until he lands in an emergency room, where he gets uncompensated care paid for by everybody else.
If they are poor, I agree that we should reform Medicaid to cover anyone in poverty; Medicaid is too limited right now. If they aren't poor, then what do you mean "can't afford basic preventative care?" If you have no insurance, a yearly preventive visit will run you somewhere around $150. After that, the best prevention is extremely low cost: diet and activity modifications, don't smoke or drink, don't engage in risky behaviors, etc. Do that, and your risks of chronic illness are much lower.
What is your objection to the basic premise of insurance? Everyone needs health care, if not this week or even this year, then sooner or later, and if you're unlucky you'll need treatment for cancer or heart disease or getting run over by a bus. Sharing costs across the widest base is the only way to guarantee that everyone will get the care he needs when he needs it.
I have no objection to the basic premise of insurance. The key word is "insurance." Insurance plans should insure against catastrophe. We shouldn't demand that it covers routine costs that are more efficiently delivered through a cash based model.
If you want to argue that health care is a luxury good, and someone who can't afford it doesn't deserve it, you won't find much support outside the Freedom Caucus, and even they are starting to smarten up.
That's not my position at all. Insurance will be affordable when we stop expecting it to cover every possible medical expense we will have. So for most things, you pay healthcare providers directly in cash. The insurance plan will kick in if and when spending exceeds a certain level. Even then, however, it's unrealistic to expect insurance to cover unlimited expenses.
 
Should a healthcare system be expected to meet every need of every citizen regardless of how much it costs?
Of course not - the costs would be prohibitive. Insurance should only cover minor illnesses that are cheap to cure. Expensive treatments with low benefit/cost ratio should be refused.

The insurance plan will kick in if and when spending exceeds a certain level.
No no no no! You have it backwards. Coverage should be denied when costs will exceed a certain threshold. What benefits the most people - 50000 Viagra prescriptions, or one heart transplant?

The real problem with health insurance is that people expect treatment for major life-threatening conditions. But this is exactly what makes health insurance so expensive! The only way to significantly reduce costs is to just let all the really sick people die. Let's face it - most of them will eventually die anyway, even with treatment.
 
Of course not - the costs would be prohibitive. Insurance should only cover minor illnesses that are cheap to cure. Expensive treatments with low benefit/cost ratio should be refused.
Or, we could have insurance pay only for the really expensive stuff while individuals pay for the cheap to cure stuff. The problem arises when we expect insurance to pay for every little thing even tangentially related to health.

No no no no! You have it backwards. Coverage should be denied when costs will exceed a certain threshold. What benefits the most people - 50000 Viagra prescriptions, or one heart transplant?
Hows about no Viagra coverage? Eliminate coverage for anything but catastrophic lhealth events.

The real problem with health insurance is that people expect treatment for major life-threatening conditions. But this is exactly what makes health insurance so expensive! The only way to significantly reduce costs is to just let all the really sick people die. Let's face it - most of them will eventually die anyway, even with treatment.
Yes, exactly! Insurance should only pay for cheap insignificant things that most people can afford! Why should insurance protect people against the stuff they can't afford? So glad we are on the same page here....
 

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