Has Ron Paul reached you yet?

[Eskarina]

You bet, why I'll bet some of your friends are women, right?

Don't be too sure! Us wimmin have CHOICES!!!!!11eleventyone!

 

[ronpaulisright]

Don't be too sure! Us wimmin have CHOICES!!!!!11eleventyone!

I speak FOR women. None of them really want to get an abortion. Their maternal instincts kick in whenever they SEE a baby. They would rather use a diaphragm, a plan B pill, an IUD, a condom, birth control or get their tubes tied. (see all the choices you have ladies)

Why would you choose abortion? see all these alternatives ^^^^^^^^^^

Just pop a pill. See how good science is!

 

[Eskarina]

I speak FOR women. None of them really want to get an abortion. Their maternal instincts kick in whenever they SEE a baby. They would rather use a diaphragm, a plan B pill, an IUD, a condom, birth control or get their tubes tied. (see all the choices you have ladies).

Are you trying to teach your granny to suck eggs as well?

Like it or not, birth control is not 100% safe and humans are fallible, so unwanted pregnancies will occur. And then what?

Some women will have an abortion, even if that means having to go to another country or having it done it in some dirty back-yard with a coat-hanger. Great choices, BTW.

Why would you choose abortion? see all these alternatives ^^^^^^^^^^

How many women actually consider abortion as a form of birth control? Some stats on that would be nice.

Just pop a pill. See how good science is!

I pop four different pills every day. I know how good science is, thank you.

 

[ronpaulisright]

And then what?

I thought I made myself clear on that. oh well, when it is just a tadpole, you can have an abortion.

The MOST important thing to do is educate the young women. Most important bar none.

 

[gambling_cruiser]

Free abortions for teenagers is the best crime prevention program so far.
Unwanted kids lead to drop out of school, low chances of happy family life and the kids grow up and join gangs. The gangs are a major reason for the high crime rates. QED

 

[TragicMonkey]

yeah have fun dying for israel monkey.

You know, hanging around on the internet, posting cranky, unpunctuated craziness will not encourage anyone to vote for your favored candidate. In fact, it's quite the reverse. Do you realize that every post you make in favor of Ron Paul loses him some votes? Are you really for him, or are you working for the opposition?

 

[JEROME DA GNOME]

You know, hanging around on the internet, posting cranky, unpunctuated craziness will not encourage anyone to vote for your favored candidate. In fact, it's quite the reverse. Do you realize that every post you make in favor of Ron Paul loses him some votes? Are you really for him, or are you working for the opposition?

You want him to believe that the people telling falsehoods about Ron Paul in this thread were going to vote for him until ronpaulisright posted.

That is insane.

 

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Some women will have an abortion, even if that means having to go to another country or having it done it in some dirty back-yard with a coat-hanger. Great choices, BTW.

Still falling for 30 year old propaganda.


Let us play this game:

If Obama is elected than the government will start to give White people Aids.

If Clinton is elected than America will nuke Iran.

 

[Finnegan]

Still falling for 30 year old propaganda.

Point me to the propaganda, Jerome.

Ron Paul is defiantly against abortion.

The prohibition of abortion leads to rises in self-induced abortion.

 

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Point me to the propaganda, Jerome.

Here you go:

Some women will have an abortion... having it done it in some dirty back-yard with a coat-hanger.

ETA: I think it is supposed to be: back ally with a dirty wire coat-hanger.

 

[Finnegan]

Here you go:

It's a fair addition to the debate. RPiR is devaluing the practice of abortion, and Eskarina pointed out how far women - in some circumstances - will go to to get one.

Admittedly the coat hanger example has become a traditional meme, but other methods include blows to the abdominal area or the ingestion of substances believed to induce miscarriage.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Ron Paul is a silly fool. I dont know why he ever "ran" for President. He must be delusional to think even 10% of the USA would support him. He should just stay with his little club of right-wing freaks in Texas where he belongs.

Feel free to come on down to Texas and spout off like that, mister. The liberals in Travis County will laugh you out of town, and into the arms of a few folks more likely to teach you a lesson you'd doubtless forget.

Has Ron Paul reached you yet?

Reach me? He never even calls.

DR

 

[Lonewulf]

What the HELL is your point?

Just a point of advice, "ronpaulisright": Caps lock and/or holding down shift to place emphasis doesn't impress me very much, and neither does your particular tone of voice here. And if you want me, or anyone else to ever vote for Ron Paul, you should probably rethink the way you post here on this forum. Unless, of course, your actual goal is the exact opposite of what you claim it to be here...

As to my point, it is that you are advocating actions that Ron Paul himself seems to be against; for instance, you advocate the use of the Morning After pill, which I will explain in a bit and demonstrate that Ron Paul should logically be against it; I'm not sure if he's actually stated that he's okay with the Morning After pill, even if he thinks that it's immoral to have an abortion right after conception (which the Morning After pill actually sometimes induces).

Furthermore, a lot of your proposed "options" are not exactly good options, as I will explain later. And there's always the chance that one of the proposed options you listed would fail -- and I would not be quick to combine them for everyone. There is always the chance that a woman will have to deal with a pregnancy, and it is firmly in my opinion that it is her decision what happens after conception -- and no one else's.

I am not misogynist!

You come across as one. I shall work harder to reserve my judgment and simply present my points.

I say abortion is fine,

Ron Paul doesn't. And you support him making it illegal all throughout. As he says here:

I am strongly pro-life. I think one of the most disastrous rulings of this century was Roe versus Wade. I do believe in the slippery slope theory. I believe that if people are careless and casual about life at the beginning of life, we will be careless and casual about life at the end. Abortion leads to euthanasia. I believe that.

Morning after pills,

And here Ron Paul says:

I am strongly pro life. Life begins at conception ...

I honestly believe that he would oppose the Morning After pill, since it has a chance of destroying the seed after fertilization.

Also, the Morning After pill, if you read my post, has also come under fire by people who believe that a fetus is considered a "life" as soon as it is fertilized, for reasons I've already posted here:

Furthermore, if he is willing to end abortions altogether, I see no reason to assume that he won't get extremist when it comes to the Morning After Pill -- which is, after all, considered by some pro-life proponents to be a process of abortion as it can possibly prevent post-fertilization of a blastocyst; these proponents usually believe that, say, pregnancy begins at fertilization -- one of the farthest ends of anti-abortion nuts.

In short, Ron Paul believes that life begins as soon as the seed is fertilized, and the Morning After pill has a chance of destroying the seed after it is fertilized. Hence, logically, Ron Paul should be against the Morning After pill -- a position that you, yourself, a Ron Paul fanite, seem to hold as positive. So you disagree with Ron Paul here -- meaning that either you disagree with him, or you do not understand his position and the potential affects of the Morning After pill.

but as a last resort, it is very primitive.

While I might debate this, I'll just say "okay" and go on from here...

birth control,

In the form of a pill before you have sex, or a condom, this is the smartest thing you can do in general, yes.

IUD's,

Side effects may include introduced bacteria to the uterus, increased risk of pelvic inflammatory disease, and can cause danger to women already at high risk for endocarditis. It also requires cervix dilation, which is uncomfortable and for some woman even painful. Plus, it increases the pain and effects of menstrual periods, especially for the first few months after they are inserted. Not to mention other nasty stuff. It's rather effective percentage wise, though; less than 1% chance of pregnancy per year, although I wouldn't recommend it for use of 10 years or up. After that point, you start playing the odds...

Personally, if I was a woman, this would not be my first choice. I'd go with the condoms and birth control pills. Much less side effects from what I've seen.

condoms,

Out of curiosity, what did you mean when you said "birth control" and also seperating condoms out of that section? I suppose you meant birth control pills in particular with birth control, right?

Regardless, yes, condoms are just fine. Although they still have a failure rate, and if fitted improperly may be prone to rips and tears.

diaphragms,

Not very effective. The method failure rate of the diaphragm with spermicide is 6% per year (that's if it's used 100% correctly), but it ends up misused very often and gives an actual pregnancy rate of 10% to 39% per year. That's not very effective, and it's difficult to use properly. Plus, there's a small risk of side effects; urinary tract infection, for instance. If used with a spermicide, this has a chance of increasing overall risk

getting your tubes tied, are all better alternatives than abortion.

"Getting your tubes tied" (AKA Tubal ligation) is actually not as safe a procedure as you may believe. It's also rather expensive. Not something I would recommend as a "simple" procedure, personally. It's also not easily reversible, and is usually done to be permanent.

And adoption.

Sure, adoption is always an option, but there are plenty of children already that don't quite have good homes. Are you really willing to thrust more children out there without parents, trying to find new ones? In the meantime, while they're without a family, who would pay and take care of them? From what I understand, Ron Paul isn't really in a hurry to get the government to pay for other people, but I may be misunderstanding his campaign here.


Regardless, it doesn't matter what form of birth control you use; there's still a chance that it will fail, no matter how small. When that happens, you have a child that a woman has to give birth to if she is incapable of having an abortion. And the "Morning After" pill, while generally effective for up to 72 hours after sexual contact, is also being advocated against by just the same people as Ron Paul himself -- people that believe that abortion is wrong right after conception. Furthermore, it is not always possible to tell when another form of birth control has failed; personally, I wouldn't be strong on advocating a condom AND a birth control pill AND the Morning After pill "just to make sure", although I suppose that is a good way to be sure outside of pure abstinence.

So yes, there are many options. But none of the options are perfect (not even abstinence, as that's no fun). By getting rid of the option for abortion, you are essentially forcing a woman to potentially have to bring a child into the world that she does not want to, and have that child being brought into a world where they are not wanted, and must be brought into another household -- while being supported and cared for by *some* organization (and probably not the government, under Ron Paul). Not to mention that the Morning After pill would be, to Ron Paul, "immoral" for reasons I've already stated.

Not something I would support.

 

[Darth Rotor]

What's wrong with being a CT believer? Is it any more looney than believing that noah was able to get 2 of every animal onto an ark? or that if you touch yourself there will be a hot fiery place with ugly horned people? Or people lived to be 200 years old?

If you believe in the bible or the quoran or any religious ********, then you are the biggest set of loons on this planet!

Calling yourself a christian, to me is like calling yourself a schizophrenic

Tricky isn't a Christian, which I suppose means that he touches himself, or has touched himself, without worrying about Hell. (Tricky, no need to beat me up for that, I'm on a roll here. )

You like the IRS? The IRS is unconstitutional

The Sixteenth amendment to the Constitution would be evidence against your assertion. Amending the Constitution is a Constitutionally valid act, though as Prohibition shows us, not all Constitutionally valid acts are of equal wisdom. And no, I don't like the IRS, but I can't pretend it's an illegal agency.

He is also for legalizing prostitution, leaving that option up to the states.

Works for me. I'll still decline to patronize those business establishments, a decision also known as voting with one's wallet.

She had the choice to give head instead too.

She had the choice to buy a condom. she had the choice to get an IUD. She had the choice to be on birth control. She had the choice to get her tubes tied. She had the choice to to take a plan B pill. She had the choice to work at any job that would give her benefits to pay for her contraceptives.

And the guy had the choice to touch himself.

As you spell out above, Ron Paul is not the Pro Choice candidate, he's the pro fellatio candidate. Gotta say I like his platform a bit better, now that this is on (or under) the table. Such a position might get him some more votes.

He might have used that position in a Hooveresque slogan::

A BJ in every car, two nuts on each woman's chin. Vote Ron Paul

RPiR, you have entered into the realm of pure parody. Well done.

DR

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I heard that Ronpaulisright has withdrawn his support for Ron Paul, and now considers him to be an idiot.

 

[Darth Rotor]

I heard that Ronpaulisright has withdrawn his support for Ron Paul, and now considers him to be an idiot.

I heard he was suspended.

DR

 

[Pardalis]

He's gone to attend to his other projects he's got in the pipeline.

 

[Lonewulf]

I'd complain about making a long post for nothing, but

1) I kinda knew it would result in nothing in the first place, and

B) I had fun writing it.

III) I learned a few things as I did some quick research for it, and that's honestly why I debate in the first place.

 

[TragicMonkey]

You want him to believe that the people telling falsehoods about Ron Paul in this thread were going to vote for him until ronpaulisright posted.

A lot more people read threads than post in them.

That is insane.

Here, I must defer to your judgment in your field of expertise.

 

[Lonewulf]

You want him to believe that the people telling falsehoods about Ron Paul in this thread were going to vote for him until ronpaulisright posted.

That is insane.

Tip: In every former, the lurkers always outnumber the posters, most of the time very very significantly.

How you failed to understand this, I do not know.