Harris Won!

[d4m10n]

This thread is to discuss the conspiracy theory that Kamala Harris actually won, which was brought to my attention here.

 

[theprestige]

Called it.

 

[stanfr]

Yeah it's an interesting topic. This is nothing really new, we've known for a lonnnng time the GOP has been using voter suppression as a strategy. I haven't personally examined the stats, but if it's true that 2 million ballots were rejected for 'clerical reasons' and that they disproportionately targeted minorities/the young etc than that is pretty alarming. Of course, how does one determine if the 'targeting' was an intentional action? How do you show that Harris votes were rejected while Trump votes counted when the ballots had technical issues, like provisional ballots? Even if you can show that the numbers of rejected ballots were much higher in districts where Harris had an edge, does it prove anything, since correlation is not always causation?
It all just makes me a bit ill because personally I think in 2025 we ought to be able to come up with a voting system that doesn't easily lend itself to attacks by conspiracy theorists on any side. If *people* make the ultimate decision on who is eligible to vote--how do you ensure they are playing by the rules? Evidently investigations don't do anything, they just end up as fodder for Youtube videos.

 

[Thermal]

Mass voter caging has been a thing since the 80s. I think journalist Geeg Palast reported quite a bit on the subject.

 

[plague311]

Looks like the thread is really taking off. The fact is most Dems aren't like Reps in that it's a bit easier to admit we lost. It sucks. It's really going to come back to haunt us over these next for years, but I don't know anyone mainstream sticking to a "Harris Won" mindset. It's not on CNN news and if we're down to posting videos as evidence then God ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ help us. You can find people saying all sorts of dumb ◊◊◊◊ on youtube.

 

[dudalb]

BTW, constant rumor here in Cal is that Harris is planning to run for Governor when Newsom is termed out next year. Shades of Richard Nixon.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Harris as CA gov, and President Newsom. Good combo.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

The lesson for Dems should be to reform voting to take away the power to fix elections like this.

 

[Norman Alexander]

The lesson for Dems should be to reform voting to take away the power to fix elections like this.

LOL. By what means can the Dems make changes that cannot be undone or blatantly ignored by the GOP?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

LOL. By what means can the Dems make changes that cannot be undone or blatantly ignored by the GOP?

Republicans (or their Donors) made a massive push to replace election workers and school board members and other very local forms of importance - Dems are doing nothing of the sort.
Ousting the obviously partisan plants should be of the highest priority.
. but the Democratic Party is a fundamentally hierarchical, top-down organization that is often openly hostile to any bottom-up efforts on its behalf.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Republicans (or their Donors) made a massive push to replace election workers and school board members and other very local forms of importance - Dems are doing nothing of the sort.
Ousting the obviously partisan plants should be of the highest priority.
. but the Democratic Party is a fundamentally hierarchical, top-down organization that is often openly hostile to any bottom-up efforts on its behalf.

Again, how does that stop the GOP from simply undoing or ignoring any legal changes? Like they do now?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

It makes a huge difference between blocking people from voting and not counting the votes that have been cast.

But what is your suggestion?

 

[Tero]

I've got some response from this lady on Threads, but she never explained what her graph Y axis is. The x axis is time. She explains in Youtube that the two dots that I have marked with arrows (or any spot in time) have to add to 100%. here Trump has 60% and Harris has 40%. So the counting machine counts and at that time many votes add up to that? Her video in the next post.

 

[Tero]

 

[The Great Zaganza]

The Original Sin was Gore not fighting harder for what was his victory.