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Hardfire: Szamboti / Chandler / Mackey

R.Mackey

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Many of you know of Hardfire and the series, hosted by Ron Wieck (formerly known here as pomeroo), that examines the Truth Movement and its theories. I spoke with Ron again today, and he informed me that Tony Szamboti and David Chandler were interested in appearing and discussing their theories with me. So we're on, taping date and release to be announced when available.

Apparently this is not a direct response to my previous shows on Hardfire, which is a pity -- absolutely no one took me up on my Hardfire Modeling Challenge -- but, so far as I can tell, the debate is open to a wide range of topics but focusing on the World Trade Center and the NIST investigations thereof.

I have in the past given both Tony and David my feedback (see here and here, along with followups in the respective threads). In fact, after the latest exchange with Tony, I had not expected him to surface again. However, leaving the past in the past, they have both had quite some time to think about my concerns as well as those of others, so I am hopeful that they can provide a thoughtful response in this format.

To avoid sandbagging the debate, I will avoid engaging in discussion with them on their own personal theories until taping is completed. In the meantime, I encourage respectful discussion here of other viewpoints both pro and con their positions and mine, and if there are suggestions for the show (questions, related material, anyone else wants to participate, whatever) that's welcome too. I make no promises but I'll do the best I can.

Those of you who enjoy highjacking threads (I'm looking at you, Heiwa), don't bother, you're already on Ignore and you will be reported on sight. Let's keep this clean, I always say, and this time maybe I'll get my wish. Thanks.
 
Mr. Mackey,

First off, I have absolutely NO idea what "Hardfire" is, so forgive me.

Is it like an open debate?? Is the Hardfire host a Truther?? Forgive me, I am uneducate in this subject.

Keep us posted.
 
I'm looking forward to it. You know their M.O. very well by now. They're going to go right in for the kill. "NIST admits Free fall speed!" I would just look for the most persuasive ways to counter that nonsense i.e. inform the layman that it's meaningless.
 
Tri.

go to youtube and look up hardfire ryan mackey physics of 9/11 (btw Ryan, they were Brilliant)

or look up hardfire and mark roberts.

or the classic hardfire and Richard Gage (and his fantastic (snicker) cardboard box demonstrations.)

It is public access channel out of New York. They have quite a "diverse" amount of shows, but they are pretty fair and honest.
 
triforcharity said:
Mr. Mackey,

First off, I have absolutely NO idea what "Hardfire" is, so forgive me.

Is it like an open debate?? Is the Hardfire host a Truther?? Forgive me, I am uneducate in this subject.

Keep us posted.
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The host is Ron Wieck, who used to post here, is not a truther, far from it. In fact he got banned here because he could not control his vicious attacks on the poor truthers. However, when he moderates, he is very professional towards them. Here is an example:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5692853335910175330
 
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Ok, I will watch those. Thanks for the info!!

BTW, I have a hard time with "truthers" myself given my background. I want to let loose and go off, but I know I would get banned. And quick too. I have a bit of a potty mouth.
 
Good stuff Ryan. I'll do my best to dig up some points that might be relevant.

Let us know as soon as you have a taping date.
 
triforcharity said:
Ok, I will watch those. Thanks for the info!!

BTW, I have a hard time with "truthers" myself given my background. I want to let loose and go off, but I know I would get banned. And quick too. I have a bit of a potty mouth.
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i hear ya bro lol
 
is there an audience?
its taped in brooklyn id like to go watch
dont look like it though :(
and mackey was live via logitech lol
i'd be out woo'd in studio
 
That reminds me - Ryan, if you haven't already planned to do so, please get some proper light on yourself for the show. The first one made you look like you were in a cave somewhere.
Unless yer planning to tape in the studio..then disregard the above.
 
alienentity said:
That reminds me - Ryan, if you haven't already planned to do so, please get some proper light on yourself for the show. The first one made you look like you were in a cave somewhere.
Unless yer planning to tape in the studio..then disregard the above.
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And dress in solid colors, for Pete's sake.

Maybe let your wife pick your outfit? ;)
 
alienentity said:
That reminds me - Ryan, if you haven't already planned to do so, please get some proper light on yourself for the show. The first one made you look like you were in a cave somewhere.
Unless yer planning to tape in the studio..then disregard the above.
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. . . because we all know that cave-men can't appear on Hardfire, much less destroy anything, ever, be they arguments, woo-fantasy, or very tall buildings.
 
Hokulele said:
Do you have a rough idea of when you will start taping?
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Not really, probably by end of month.

alienentity said:
That reminds me - Ryan, if you haven't already planned to do so, please get some proper light on yourself for the show. The first one made you look like you were in a cave somewhere.
Unless yer planning to tape in the studio..then disregard the above.
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The studio is a mere 2200 miles away... I'll see what I can do.

Hokulele said:
And dress in solid colors, for Pete's sake.

Maybe let your wife pick your outfit? ;)
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Got a great shirt in red and green zig-zag picked out just for you. Unless Ron and Gary can shoot this one in HD, in which case I'll work up a fractal in contrasting primaries. ;)
 
R.Mackey said:
Got a great shirt in red and green zig-zag picked out just for you. Unless Ron and Gary can shoot this one in HD, in which case I'll work up a fractal in contrasting primaries. ;)
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This would be a great shirt, if done right.
 
I am confident that we are sending the best man in, armed with the facts. It's actually encouraging to me that we're getting down to technical analysis instead of the usual BS. They can't win on that field, all they can win on is the blizzard of factoids method, but even that's worn thin with the great job by Mark.
 
Hokulele said:
So, turn the monitor off and leave the speakers on. Got it.
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S'matter, you don't enjoy migranes..?

Minadin said:
This would be a great shirt, if done right.
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I have a rather shocking fluorescent green shirt and jittering paisley necktie combination. Wear it to weddings, mostly. It's quite nice, in its own way, though it tends to damage recording equipment.
 
Don't get overconfident. Remember that most people are of lower-than-mean intelligence and that a large number of the rest are idiots who cannot be bothered to think. Most faceoffs like this leave the guys who are right scoring points for being right, but the crazies take the majority of points by being interesting.
 
Good luck to all three of you... Tony and Cha--- well.... Tony anyway knows my opinion of his issues with the entire CD thing but I'll send my regards to him anyway. Hopefully it goes well for you guys. I'll provide pancakes and syrup, just don't step in my maple traps. :|
 
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