Happy Celebrate Traitors Day!

A'isha

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Today is the first Monday in June. That means it's Jefferson Davis' Birthday here in Alabama. It's an official state holiday and everything - all the government offices are closed, and all state employees except for law enforcement personnel have the day off.

Alabama is the only state in the US that still recognizes this day as an official state holiday.
 
George Washington was a traitor we continue to celebrate. He was a slaveowner, too. Unfortunately for Jefferson Davis, the winners get to write the history books.
 
ravdin said:
George Washington was a traitor we continue to celebrate. He was a slaveowner, too. Unfortunately for Jefferson Davis, the winners get to write the history books.
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What was unfortunate is that Jefferson Davis led a rebellion against the United States, which cost hundreds of thousands of lives. Fortunately he lost.
 
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ravdin said:
George Washington was a traitor we continue to celebrate. He was a slaveowner, too. Unfortunately for Jefferson Davis, the winners get to write the history books.
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What's unfortunate is that Jefferson Davis waged war in order to preserve the inhuman practice of slavery, and was willing to slaughter hundreds of thousands of his fellow Americans in the process.

In George Washington's case, he was merely defending personal liberty, which is not nearly as important as the right to rape, murder, and plunder an entire race of people.
 
Unabogie said:
What's unfortunate is that Jefferson Davis waged war in order to preserve the inhuman practice of slavery, and was willing to slaughter hundreds of thousands of his fellow Americans in the process.

In George Washington's case, he was merely defending personal liberty, which is not nearly as important as the right to rape, murder, and plunder an entire race of people.
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George Washington was a staunch defender of personal liberty for wealthy white men such as himself- as was Jefferson Davis.
 
ravdin said:
George Washington was a staunch defender of personal liberty for wealthy white men such as himself- as was Jefferson Davis.
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With the difference:

Unabogie said:
What's unfortunate is that Jefferson Davis waged war in order to preserve the inhuman practice of slavery, and was willing to slaughter hundreds of thousands of his fellow Americans in the process.

In George Washington's case, he was merely defending personal liberty, which is not nearly as important as the right to rape, murder, and plunder an entire race of people.
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And:

Spindrift said:
What was unfortunate is that Jefferson Davis led a rebellion against the United States, which cost hundreds of thousands of lives. Fortunately he lost.
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See the difference?
 
ravdin said:
George Washington was a traitor we continue to celebrate. He was a slaveowner, too. Unfortunately for Jefferson Davis, the winners get to write the history books.
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I claim the moral high ground by not celebrating either. :p

And no, "winners get to write the history books" is an untrue cliche. Lots of people write history books including losers. Just look at Alabama, for a convenient example.
 
ravdin said:
George Washington was a staunch defender of personal liberty for wealthy white men such as himself- as was Jefferson Davis.
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An alternative view was that he and a group of like-minded colleagues rather liked the idea of ruling the USA and not paying taxes to England, and were willing to start a war and get thousands killed so they could do that.

The idea that GW and company were solely motivated by high-minded philosophical ideals about liberty seems rather naive to me.
 
ravdin said:
George Washington was a traitor we continue to celebrate. He was a slaveowner, too. Unfortunately for Jefferson Davis, the winners get to write the history books.
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Washington rebelled against royal colonialism. Davis rebelled against a growing Northern movement to abolish chattel slavery.
 
I always thought he was terribly rude to the Willises and Florence and that weird English neighbor.
 
However questionable Washington may be, I think celebrating the first president of the USA and a founding father is slightly different from celebrating a guy who was the president of a portion that seceded and started a war with the nation.
 
A thread like this isn't about thinking. ;)
If Alabama wants to revel in their history, I am trying to see how that picks my pocket.
Last I checked, the Federal office my company deals with in Alabama was OPEN today.

Just sayin'
 
TubbaBlubba said:
However questionable Washington may be, I think celebrating the first president of the USA and a founding father is slightly different from celebrating a guy who was the president of a portion that seceded and started a war with the nation.
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George Washington was a leader of a portion of the nation that seceded and started a war. He and others of his station became revolutionaries because the status quo represented by the colonial system was a direct threat to their personal economic interests- as was the case with the leaders of the Confederacy.

Perhaps there is a real difference between Washington and Davis that deserves consideration, but other than the fact that Washington won and Davis lost, I have yet to see any presented in this thread.
 
ravdin said:
Perhaps there is a real difference between Washington and Davis that deserves consideration, but other than the fact that Washington won and Davis lost, I have yet to see any presented in this thread.
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George Washington doesn't have a holiday in the country against which he rebelled.

Jefferson Davis does.

That's the difference.
 
johnny karate said:
George Washington doesn't have a holiday in the country against which he rebelled.

Jefferson Davis does.

That's the difference.
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Nope. There is no federal holiday for Jefferson Davis.

Now if I wanted to argue there's a difference I'd try something like: show me a document produced by the Confederates that has the importance or intellectual heft of the Declaration of Independence.
 
TubbaBlubba said:
However questionable Washington may be, I think celebrating the first president of the USA and a founding father is slightly different from celebrating a guy who was the president of a portion that seceded and started a war with the nation.
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Eh? I take it this is satire. ;)
 
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